Harry's Place .. good or bad?
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yet again .. a typical U75 response .. abusive but without content .. please justify your words .. or they will remain empty
and .. as above .. why have i etc etc etc .. please explain
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
I don't trust them.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Spiked_Online
http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=124
Some of their articles appear ok on the surface and are skillfully worked to have popular appeal, however they are spin-doctors with a definite agenda that they don't make apparent to their readers.
As for Harry's Place, it is a hard-right hatesite, full of racism and to be avoided if at all possible, but perhaps useful to see what vile viewpoints are making the rounds in the blogsphere.
oh boy! don't say that in U75 .. theres a few of them get their knicks right in a twist about the RCP and all ..
tbh i despair of posters/people who can not seperate, in any way, messages from messengers .. it seems symptomatic of the UK left ( maybe of people generally !) .. is it insecurity? dogmatism? not sure but they sure do not like having their ideas challenged .. and what is ironic it is not as if they are doing well! ( i remember well the arrogance of the Millies at the time of their success in Liverpool .. wrong but perhaps understandable ) .. the left now is a failure yet they STILL think they have all the answers! incredible!
but you will grant that most publications 'have an agenda' and that we have to be aware of that, but that does not totally discount them as sources of information and ideas?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
If you wish to become sick through eating bad fruit from a bad tree, that is your choice.
i favour a balanced diet myself mate
really you patronise us .. are we really not capable of understanding agendas and reding between the lines? do you not watch BBC and ITN? nor ever read a tabloid? not galnce at the telegraph mail or times if it is on your train seat? you must lead a sheltered life
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
And some say that Israelis are rudei favour a balanced diet myself mate
really you patronise us .. are we really not capable of understanding agendas and reding between the lines? do you not watch BBC and ITN? nor ever read a tabloid? not galnce at the telegraph mail or times if it is on your train seat? ou must lead a sheltered life
I am to understand that you are right-wing British national?
I read HaAretz, Maariv and Yediot Aharanoth and take the bus or plane.
I read also The Guardian, The Independent, The Nation, New York Times, Boston Globe, Conflict Forum, Democracy Now, Huffington Post, Der Spiegel, La Monde, AlJazeera, and variety of blogs.
And some say that Israelis are rude
I am to understand that you are right-wing British national?
I read HaAretz, Maariv and Yediot Aharanoth and take the bus or plane.
i am a left wing british national of teh old school who believes in free enquiry and free thinking .. if YOU do take from all 'bad' sources why do you make such a comment to me? and then not expect me to react?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
I read your first post.
It is not useful to stand with the political enemy of a political enemy.
It is dangerous and foolhardy.
Eat bad fruit, get sick.
You look right-leaning, insular nationalist labour-movement supporter, and "british national of teh old school" was deeply chauvinist and anti-immigrant (with notable exceptions).durruti02 said:
It is not useful to stand with the political enemy of a political enemy.
It is dangerous and foolhardy.
Eat bad fruit, get sick.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
What's not to understand?
hard right? really?
are you saying nothing on there is true? .. you may be right .. what about this .. in the most recent post 'he' calls for banning both Likuds Moshe Feiglin AND al bari Atwan .. how is that hard right .. genunine question
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
What you just described there sounds very much to be of a right-wing or social-democrat* Shachtmanite disposition, which as you may be aware, is the forerunner of neo-conservatism.
*not to be confused with democratic socialism, e.g. Scandinavian model.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
I do think Harry's Place is a good thing. At the end of the day, it's just some men (with a surprising amount of spare time during the working day) putting up their thoughts and reflections on current affairs into the internet.
For myself, I find the articles to be interesting more often than not. I certainly avoid the comments pages - full of the most ridiculous bores and obsessives. I don't have to agree with what they say, after all, and I certainly don't have to believe everything I read there, any more than I agree with or believe everything I read here. I do like Brett's articles, and while I would probably disagree witn a lot of what David T has to say, I do read him. I read it for exactly the same reason I read David Osler's blog, and Norm, and Shuggy.
I was very impressed with the recent article by the South African exile, and the one about Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign - I did read the comments about this.
There is a train of thought being expressed here that people who read stuff they don't agree with are going to be in some way contaminated by it - "bad fruit off the bad tree". That's just silly, for reasons other have addressed.
For myself, I find the articles to be interesting more often than not. I certainly avoid the comments pages - full of the most ridiculous bores and obsessives. I don't have to agree with what they say, after all, and I certainly don't have to believe everything I read there, any more than I agree with or believe everything I read here. I do like Brett's articles, and while I would probably disagree witn a lot of what David T has to say, I do read him. I read it for exactly the same reason I read David Osler's blog, and Norm, and Shuggy.
I was very impressed with the recent article by the South African exile, and the one about Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign - I did read the comments about this.
There is a train of thought being expressed here that people who read stuff they don't agree with are going to be in some way contaminated by it - "bad fruit off the bad tree". That's just silly, for reasons other have addressed.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Metaphor must be consistent. Therefore, eating bad fruit from a bad tree is in no way comparable to just looking at the bad fruit on the bad tree.
You are saying that ideas that you disagree with are akin to food-poisoning. What does that say about your own convictions if you are afraid that exposure to different points of view will irreversably contaminate you. If you really don't have the constitution for it, keep out of the kitchen...
How very Christian.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Fruitarian, I'd have thought!
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
I quote Yeats sometimes. Would you then say "How very Irish"?
I thought it was a quite a good metaphor. Do you reject allegorical stories which religious instruction uses to convey wisdoms? If so, do you have replacements if you intend to throw away thousands of years worth of mankind's cultural heritage"? Do you seek to destroy them all, or do you favour one over the other? Myself, I have been reading about the messianists of Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions, and also of the eschatologists from these three groups of late. In an attempt to understand centuries of European antisemitism, I have begun to read the Greek New Testament and I am surprised how much is clearly based on Jewish oral tradition, but it is deeply anti-Jewish work in parts, and it's best wisdoms are clearly plagiarised from of Jewish tractates and scrolls.
So you are some kind of troll InBloom? One of your threads is very odd indeed: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=210813. I'm not sure how it escaped the notice of the mods.
"Cod Right" is more like it. Or snake in the grass type thingy.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I've seen far more sensible left stuff on there or at least leftisim that has some appeal on HP. There seems to be less left dogma on there than on other sites like here for example. I wouldn't say that it is a right wing site overall not like the Daily Mail boards.
Don't agree with all that is said on there but the lack of Galloway worship and a balanced approach to the Israel / Palestine issue is what gets me logging on and posting there.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what? No words in BIG capital letters, to no arm waving? Whats up with you today?
Perhaps it would be better to attack the enemy rather than misguided friends. Those who chose to do otherwise (such as those at Harrys Place) are just idiot friends of the right, doing their dirty work for them. 'Harry' and KBJ are proud to be part of that tradition, are you, really?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
again belboid your response is full of cliches ( and digs? why can people on urban not post without having a swear and a dig?) but no substantive content .. attack the enemy? which enemy? is not islamofascism also the enemy? it is for a significant part of the world sure capitalism is the overiding enemy but as it is kept in power by a web of political structures .. what is at debate is that the dominant left is trying to dictate that ONLY they have the correct view of teh world ( even thought theyare failures) and that any critic is automatically 'right wing' etc .. actually i suspect HP may be an 'idiot friend' of the right .. i am not usre of it'smotivation .. but if you can not see what is being said in this thread about being capable of reading and using ALL sources then yes sorry but i think you are part of a narrow current that dominates british leftism and that imho has created a left that is incapable of free undogmatic and dynamic thought .. and one that is going down the pan rapidly
p.s. what about respoding to fullyplumped's post? .. i thought it was good
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you would, it said nothing. Time you joined her in the Labour Party. Which is what HP is about, defending the LP right-wing. So fp likes some of the writers, yeeha, I dont really care. Lock is the only one who can write at all, imo, David T is a repugnant right-wng shit, if he floats FP's boat, well, more fool her. As for this specious nonsense about being 'infected' by reading it, thats just rubbish, I only have so much time in a day, and I'm not going to waste it on ill thought out reactionary rubbish. I get more than enough of that on here.
ska invita
back on the other side
Was told a story yesterday about how a HP hack wrote a slanderous piece about a CCND worker, calling him an anti-semite, which David Aaranovitch then carbon copied in a piece for the Jewish Chronicle. It was a case of mistaken identity and they got the guy mistaken for someone else who shared his name. Lucky not to get sued - a good apology from Aaranovitch in the Times followed.
That's bad enough, but in terms of this thread I think a good way to sum up HP is David Aaranovitch.
That's bad enough, but in terms of this thread I think a good way to sum up HP is David Aaranovitch.
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