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Harman becomes Deputy Leader

jiggajagga said:
So now we know you are a fucking Tory! Well you should be well happy with Brown and Harman mate! The rich are getting richer and the underclass with no rights grows overnight. The rich aren't paying their fair whack of tax ( have they ever?) and globalisation in in full march.

Put your own party in order first instead and dump Blairlite!;)
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I'm not a Tory per se, but I like some of their views (at least on the Libertarian wing)

I agree...Cameron is far too lefty lilly livered and diet-NL for my liking.

But then, who else have they got? As a rule, Tory MPs are spinleless, self serving cunts.
 
Pete the Greek said:
I'm not a Tory per se, but I like some of their views (at least on the Libertarian wing)

I agree...Cameron is far too lefty lilly livered and diet-NL for my liking.

But then, who else have they got? As a rule, Tory MPs are spinleless, self serving cunts.
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So Tories are spinless cunts
Labour are fucking the country up
Lib dems are left of Labour.
Whos left Pete?:confused:

Me? I'm old labour and proud of it!
 
jiggajagga said:
So Tories are spinless cunts
Labour are fucking the country up
Lib dems are left of Labour.
Whos left Pete?:confused:

Me? I'm old labour and proud of it!
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This is just it - as far as I'm concerned, there is no-one.

Politics and the world of politics in this country is not set up for normal,clever, smart, decent people to get involved in. It's a closed shop for backbiters, petty wankers, smarmy toffee nosed cunts and corrupt weirdos with perversions.

Fucking shame really.

I'd like to see a massive overhaul of the political party system, which could encourage normal, decent people to get involved and stand for candidacies.
I also would like it if they did away with alot of the House of Commons traditions, such as they way the chamber is laid out (its very adversarial comapred to the Scottish parliament chamber) and the role of the Speaker should go too.
 
Pete the Greek said:
This is just it - as far as I'm concerned, there is no-one.

Politics and the world of politics in this country is not set up for normal,clever, smart, decent people to get involved in. It's a closed shop for backbiters, petty wankers, smarmy toffee nosed cunts and corrupt weirdos with perversions.

Fucking shame really.

I'd like to see a massive overhaul of the political party system, which could encourage normal, decent people to get involved and stand for candidacies.
I also would like it if they did away with alot of the House of Commons traditions, such as they way the chamber is laid out (its very adversarial comapred to the Scottish parliament chamber) and the role of the Speaker should go too.
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I agree with a lot of what you say other than this. Who encourages the extra or sub normal, and who decides who is decent?
I think you are an old Tory who believes that there is a place for everyone and everyone in their place. This is great as long as you have a place to start with but if you are unlucky enough to be born to poor w/c parents the tories never gave a toss for them I fear!

Still! Vive la difference eh!;)
 
jiggajagga said:
I agree with a lot of what you say other than this. Who encourages the extra or sub normal, and who decides who is decent?
I think you are an old Tory who believes that there is a place for everyone and everyone in their place. This is great as long as you have a place to start with but if you are unlucky enough to be born to poor w/c parents the tories never gave a toss for them I fear!

Still! Vive la difference eh!;)
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:D

Not quite.

I'm not an old Tory at all...neither old, not tory in the strictest sense. I have various views, that form a sort of amalgamation between Liberal, right wing and Libertarian right wing. So while the Tory party is the closest match, comparing me to the Tories is like saying a cat and a human are very very similar based on the fact that both are mammals.

By decent people, I am referring to people who are just that...normal, decent people...not moneyed people, not connected people, or those with alumni status at Cambridge or Eton and not fucked up people with agends.

I mean adjusted, nice, decent people. The Tories have few such people.

Labour have more of these sorts of folks, though I disagree with their politics.

I find Diane Abbot to be charming and decent. I loathe her politics though.
 
Wot i said over on General

Well, in her hustings speeches she did call for changes in the levels of inequality, in the uk and a royal commission on inequality. She may have been playing to the 'perceived' left wing gallery, as it were. It just depends what her proscriptions for change are, you can be sure it won't be decent benefits, a more humane welfare system, etc, though I do think she will argue for a higher minimum wage..

Cruddas, a more leftish candidate, did very well, a virtual unknown coming third, not bad
 
Repeat the greek does not seem to know the difference between a troll a trot or a tory:rolleyes:

Persoanlly treelover i find it hard to believe that Labour under brown will close the gap of growing inequality. And as for offering paddy ashdown a government post surely it just shows the disregard that those who now control labour have for their own political history and the wider labour party
 
Nor did I, I'm just saying that she has been 'talkling the talk on these issues, whether she 'walks the walk' is another thing entirely.


Persoanlly treelover i find it hard to believe that Labour under brown will close the gap of growing inequality. And as for offering paddy ashdown a government post surely it just shows the disregard that those who now control labour have for their own political history and the wider labour party
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Pete the Greek said:
This is just it - as far as I'm concerned, there is no-one.

Politics and the world of politics in this country is not set up for normal,clever, smart, decent people to get involved in. It's a closed shop for backbiters, petty wankers, smarmy toffee nosed cunts and corrupt weirdos with perversions.

Fucking shame really.

I'd like to see a massive overhaul of the political party system, which could encourage normal, decent people to get involved and stand for candidacies.
I also would like it if they did away with alot of the House of Commons traditions, such as they way the chamber is laid out (its very adversarial comapred to the Scottish parliament chamber) and the role of the Speaker should go too.
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I agree with you Pete that the current political set up - and not just the Westminster one, does not allow for people with a lot to give to society to have any chance or desire to get in. The way the media operate doesn't help. I for one wouldn't want to put myself forward for having my past gone through with a fine-tooth comb, only to see a past misdemeanor plastered all over the front page as worse than carrying out a much more serious crime.

I have pondered on the idea of turning the Palace of Westminster into a museum and having a brand new purpose-built Parliament building elsewhere in London. Given Central London property prices it would save the taxpayer a bit of money given all those expensive leases. Entrance fees alone would generate a huge amount of revenue too. The setup of the chamber's not going to change - the place is a Grade 1 listed building and a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Whitehall ministries themselves are huge machines. How can someone with little understanding of organisational management come to terms with how a ministry operates? For all his problems within the Tory party, Michael Hestletine was one of the few people to get to grips with this and reorganise his department - the DTI at the time I think, so that only he dealt with the high level stuff and devolved a lot of the day-to-day work to junior ministers below him.

When Labour came to power in 1997, there were quite a few independent personalities and big hitters who fell in neither camp. (Dobson, Mowlam, Banks, Field - "they may have been bastards but at least you'd heard of them" - Ben Elton). Who are going to be the independent personalities in the new government and who are going to be the big hitters?
 
It finished:

1. Some Blairite.
2. Some Blairite.
3. Some ex-Blairite turned right wing social democrat.
4. Some Blairite.
5. Some Blairite.
6. Some Blairite.

Remember though we must reclaim Labour blah, blah, fucking blah.
 
Pete the Greek said:
Why attack someone for supporting the Labour Party? Weird. :rolleyes:
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Probably because the Labour party are just another bunch of arse-kissers to market capitalism. Anything that gets done "for the people" is generally a sop to stop them getting too stroppy, and realising that a life based around consumption choices is no life at all.
 
Nigel spot on - where were these people in the Blair years? Why right behind him in the ten years. People who expect something different from Brown and Harman. On Brown - here in PCS he has form - wanting 104,000 jobs cut plus a 2% pay limit.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Probably because the Labour party are just another bunch of arse-kissers to market capitalism. Anything that gets done "for the people" is generally a sop to stop them getting too stroppy, and realising that a life based around consumption choices is no life at all.
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so what do you advocate? A life based around [x] would be meaninful for [y] reason?
 
Pete the Greek said:
Oh, God no!

Please! Not that grammar school hypocrit fucking toffee nosed fake bitch.

:(

Depressing.

Nino...she's about as left as you're gonna get, when you consider the other candidates.
Be thankful it weren't Hain.
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Saint Paul's is a public school, not a grammar school!
 
Harman, pffft. Wasn't the first thing Harman did when Labour was elected back in 1997 to attack single parents?
 
Apparently, Ms Harman is going to be Labour Chair(wo)man rather than a departmental minister.

In other words, more their problem than ours. :D
 
Pete the Greek said:
But then, who else have they got? As a rule, Tory MPs are spinleless, self serving cunts.
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Reminds me of some who have been nominated on the on the urban election thread :D

At least now we know why pete fumed at his omission from being nominated on the election thread- Tory head office are so desperate for for politicians he was hoping they browse the Urban boards and so wanted to use his candidacy as a spring board into westminister:D
 
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