Hardcore Pornography

[dessiato]

The written word is far more non consensual than video or photographs.

I'd have to give Bahnhof Strasse a whole fiver to video him being violated. Whereas I could describe it at length for free without any consent from him at all.

Is that why Dub always wanted to borrow a fiver?

 

[Humirax]

For me it's something that is very much open to abuse, especially with a capitalist system, and with austerity. People, mainly women, do it for the money, to just get by, and they are pressured to have unprotected sex. Now, because they rely on this for income they are having lot's of unprotected sex, even when they know they have STD's, thus spreading the STD's. Also, there have been cases uncovered of women being tricked into doing porn, by signing what they thought were modelling contracts, then they are threatened with violence and legal action if they don't comply, also rape. Then you have stories of porn 'actresses' being assaulted on set. But personally I just think it's generally demeaning for all involved and something that probably only exists because we still have capitalism.

 

[Humirax]

Why should they? If all consent?

They don't always consent and even if they do it's kinda like saying: what's wrong with slavery if people consent?

 

[Humirax]

I mean, we treat the slaves well, what's the problem? And look- they don't mind!

 

[dessiato]

For me it's something that is very much open to abuse, especially with a capitalist system, and with austerity. People, mainly women, do it for the money and they are pressured to have unprotected sex. Now, because they rely on this for income they are having lot's of unprotected sex, even when they know they have STD's, thus spreading the STD's. Also, there have been cases uncovered of women being tricked into doing porn, by signing what they thought were modelling contracts, then they are threatened with violence and legal action if they don't comply, also rape. Then you have stories of porn 'actresses' being assaulted on set. But personally I just think it's generally demeaning for all involved and something that probably only exists because we still have capitalism.

What do you think would be a good political system that would make porn disappear, and why would your suggested system work?

 

[pogofish]

What do people on here make of it?

Did the existing threads on the subject not enlighten you any..?

They ain't all in Nobbing and Sobbing, so you can read a good few of them.

 

[Idaho]

They don't always consent and even if they do it's kinda like saying: what's wrong with slavery if people consent?

I saying that it's all about consent, and that consent is essential. And you are giving examples where there isn't consent.

By that approach there is no difference between consensual sex and rape.

 

[krtek a houby]

Sex sells. Until it doesn't; pornography, prostitution etc will remain. I imagine it's not purely confined to just the capitalist system?

 

[Humirax]

What do you think would be a good political system that would make porn disappear, and why would your suggested system work?

Anarchist-communism, because it would abolish wage slavery and patriarchy and bring about a society based on human need and not the profit system.

 

[DotCommunist]

economic coercion is a real factor of course, we acknowledge it with other lines of work- economic conscription to the military etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

They don't always consent and even if they do it's kinda like saying: what's wrong with slavery if people consent?

have you ever understood that the world of hardcore pornography is a sub-section of the world of work?

i don't particularly want to work but it's work or starve. where's the consent there, chuck?

 

[dessiato]

Anarchist-communism, because it would abolish wage slavery and patriarchy and bring about a society based on human need and not the profit system.

It's worked well in Russia, Cuba etc. hasn't it?

 

[Humirax]

There would have to be a change in culture ofcourse, the emergence of a more feminist culture I guess, it would require much education I suppose. I guess that goes without saying, but in my opinion an anarchist communist 'system'/society would go along way.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Anarchist-communism, because it would abolish wage slavery and patriarchy and bring about a society based on human need and not the profit system.

you'd still have plenty of people putting homemade porn on the internet.

 

[Humirax]

have you ever understood that the world of hardcore pornography is a sub-section of the world of work?

i don't particularly want to work but it's work or starve. where's the consent there, chuck?

That's a good point and I don't disagree with you.

 

[Humirax]

you'd still have plenty of people putting homemade porn on the internet.

That's why you'd need a change in culture.

 

[DotCommunist]

It's worked well in Russia, Cuba etc. hasn't it?

ah yes, the soviets were famously friendly to anarchism...

 

[Humirax]

Persoanlly I think sex is a very intimate part of our lives and should ideally stay private on the whole.

 

[krtek a houby]

That's why you'd need a change in culture.

Unless you restrict internet use (like China, DPRK) it's not going to be easy. Even then, I'd guess there's stuff that slips through?

 

[dessiato]

you'd still have plenty of people putting homemade porn on the internet.

There's always the exhibitionists and voyeurs to fill any void left by professional porn. I'm not sure if it's true but isn't "amateur" the most sort for term in porn on the internet?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Because it's not possible, even for the most attractive, charismatic person, to have sex with people whenever they want. Ugly, annoying people such as Bahnhof Strasse, have a much harder time

Hold on, what?

 

[dessiato]

Unless you restrict internet use (like China, DPRK) it's not going to be easy. Even then, I'd guess there's stuff that slips through?

Porn sites were banned when I lived in Sudan, it's banned under Sharia, the easy way round it was to search for Muslim porn.

 

[dessiato]

Persoanlly I think sex is a very intimate part of our lives and should ideally stay private on the whole.

Why? What if you are an exhibitionist, and you have voyeur friends? Why can't you share?

 

[krtek a houby]

Porn sites were banned when I lived in Sudan, it's banned under Sharia, the easy way round it was to search for Muslim porn.

I suppose there must be such a thing. Sex (and the need for gratification) transcends groupings/cultures/countries etc

 

[A380]

Frankly I am disappointed by the disconnect between the title of this thread and it’s content. I had my credit card, tissues and warm avocado all ready as well.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Surely without patriarchy it wouldn't exist. I don't have a problem with written erotica though, as long as it doesn't promote abusive behaviour in anyway.

Bourgeois deviationism.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The written word is far more non consensual than video or photographs.

I'd have to give Bahnhof Strasse a whole fiver to video him being violated. Whereas I could describe it at length for free without any consent from him at all.

A fiver? He only charged me £1.50 and a tube of Smarties.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why for the purposes of this discussion have you decided to differentiate between hardcore and presumably softcore?

Because they own lots of softcore?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Anarchist-communism, because it would abolish wage slavery and patriarchy and bring about a society based on human need and not the profit system.

And what about if there were a "human need" for pornography?

 

[ViolentPanda]

ah yes, the soviets were famously friendly to anarchism...

They must have been. They waited months before doing away with the circled A.