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Harbhajan suspended

pull out of the series?

what grounds have they got for doing that?

he got busted, and it was a fair cop. end of.

what a stupid thing to go and do anyway
 
My Indian mate who's just got back from Bombay was saying that Kumble and Ponting agreed on a deal before the series that if a fielder made a dubious catch they would only appeal if they were certain that it hadn't gone down, that way ensuring that the game was played in a sportsmanlike way. The Indians think that the Aussies appealed a number of times when it was dubious at best and so feel that they reneged on the deal and stitched up the Indians.

I have to admit that I haven't really been following the series and moreover I don't really see how two captains can come to an arrangement that seems to abrogate the umpire's decision making capacity, but is there any reason to believe this?
 
Diamond said:
My Indian mate who's just got back from Bombay was saying that Kumble and Ponting agreed on a deal before the series that if a fielder made a dubious catch they would only appeal if they were certain that it hadn't gone down, that way ensuring that the game was played in a sportsmanlike way. The Indians think that the Aussies appealed a number of times when it was dubious at best and so feel that they reneged on the deal and stitched up the Indians.

I have to admit that I haven't really been following the series and moreover I don't really see how two captains can come to an arrangement that seems to abrogate the umpire's decision making capacity, but is there any reason to believe this?
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Whatever. If the Indians had reneged and the Aussies had used racist language I dont think anybody would be rushing to excuse their behaviour!
 
Tour suspended for the moment.

India have suspended their cricket tour of Australia pending the outcome of an appeal against a three-match ban handed to spin bowler Harbhajan Singh.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has told its players to stay in Sydney rather than travel to Canberra for a tour match on Thursday.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/7174122.stm

Don't see how the Aussie's can back down on this one; though this tour is worth too much money to be in real danger.
 
Fucking sore losers.

Sure, the rub of the green went our way. Sure, the win equaled the record of successive wins and that must have hurt. Sure, we appealed anything close but that's the way we play the game. Sure, the umpires were shit but we lost a few decisions that could have turned the game further our way. Sure, some bitter antagonisms came out during the game but that scenario was set up, rehearsed and elaborated on in the previous one-day series on their home soil just three months ago.

The racial vilification limits were set before the series started. Those limits were exceeded, by India.

But, after all that, fuck, we won the game and the Indians' batting was not up to the pressure when it counted.

Fucking sore losers with the emphasis on losers.
 
DuckQuack'sEcho said:
Fucking sore losers.

Sure, the rub of the green went our way. Sure, the win equaled the record of successive wins and that must have hurt. Sure, we appealed anything close but that's the way we play the game. Sure, the umpires were shit but we lost a few decisions that could have turned the game further our way. Sure, some bitter antagonisms came out during the game but that scenario was set up, rehearsed and elaborated on in the previous one-day series on their home soil just three months ago.

The racial vilification limits were set before the series started. Those limits were exceeded, by India.

But, after all that, fuck, we won the game and the Indians' batting was not up to the pressure when it counted.

Fucking sore losers with the emphasis on losers.
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Didn't the captains also have an agreement on appealing?
 
Isn't it the case that India are saying that Singh simply didn't say what he is accused of saying, and that there is no actual proof that he did?

Matt
 
Thats right matt,the umps never heard it,then again they didnt see or hear much the whole fucking test man:D Suffice to say i was watching at that time and there was something happening out there with Ponting,Gilly,Kumble,Harbhajan,Symonds and the umps.Then after the days play we heard that Harbhajan had been reported for a racist slur.Now India has pulled out of the tour pending a review of the offence.The powers that be have to decide whether to uphold the decision and India go home or let Harby off and continue the series only to be seen as gutless wonders for eternity
 
What a bloody shambles.

E2A The Indians do seem to be dummy spitting over the wrong issue. If it was a white South African, he would be lucky ever to play cricket for his country again.
 
Kumble's comment last night after the decision that "only one side played within the spirit of the game." is tantamount to breakage of diplomatic relationships between Australia and India. The series is a disaster now anyway, Indians, take your ball and bat, pull up stumps and go home with your tails between your legs like the loser mongrel dogs that you are. :D
 
newharper said:
Didn't the captains also have an agreement on appealing?
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Hearsay only. Kumble is claiming such but no confirmation from Punter. And what is an 'agreement' on appealing, anyway? Do you never appeal? Well both sides appealed plenty. Does it mean that you only appeal when you think it's out? Both sides appealed frivolously, if you can believe the TV commenters.

You appeal to win and to gain an advantage and that's that.
 
Given a choice between believing Tendulkar or Ponting, I'd go with Tendulkar and there doesn't seem to be any proof other than the Aussies saying he said it?

Two wrongs don't make a right but pot, kettle and Darren Lehman getting a 5 ODI ban for calling the Sri Lankans 'black cunts' spring to mind when hearing Aussies complaining..
 
paulhackett66 said:
Given a choice between believing Tendulkar or Ponting, I'd go with Tendulkar and there doesn't seem to be any proof other than the Aussies saying he said it?

Two wrongs don't make a right but pot, kettle and Darren Lehman getting a 5 ODI ban for calling the Sri Lankans 'black cunts' spring to mind when hearing Aussies complaining..
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If the umpires did not hear it (as this Cricinfo article suggests), and no independent evidence exists of him saying it, then I do not see how they can possibly uphold the ban - cricket being played in the old way can work only as long as both sides dont use it to gain an advantage.
 
oh dear

they'll be burning things in the streets

what is it with Pakistanis and Indians doing that?

Have they nothing better to do? Are they all frustrated pyromaniacs?
 
That Mark Benson is a hopeless umpire, I'm glad he's English so we don't have to suffer him. I'm surprised about Bucknor though, usually pretty reliable.

All this talk of agreements before the series and 'spirit of Cricket' is all well and good when the games are one-sided but as soon as the game gets real close it all go's out the window and that counts for all sides.
 
Teaboy said:
That Mark Benson is a hopeless umpire, I'm glad he's English so we don't have to suffer him. I'm surprised about Bucknor though, usually pretty reliable.

All this talk of agreements before the series and 'spirit of Cricket' is all well and good when the games are one-sided but as soon as the game gets real close it all go's out the window and that counts for all sides.
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I dunno about Bucknor, yes he is usually good but this is the second almost-tour-ending incident he has been involved with, seemingly with the same lack of evidence this time as there was at the Oval (or even less - at least Hair thought the ball had been tampered with). How can Harbajans appeal not be successful, unless there is independent evidence showing him to have said what he has been found guilty of saying?
 
But the decision to ban Harbhajan was made by the match ref. The umpires clearly had an obligation to report the allegation, it was down to the ref (Mike Proctor) to make the ruleing.

I agree about the lack of independent evidence though. Unless the umpires heard it, or the stump microphones or even the cameras picked it up it's hard to see how the ruleing can be upheld.
 
Slightly off topic, but this particular Indian side are a pretty fiery bunch. The recent series in England was not exactly without incident. Fair play to them I say, although this boycot thing can only back fire.
 
Teaboy said:
Slightly off topic, but this particular Indian side are a pretty fiery bunch. The recent series in England was not exactly without incident. Fair play to them I say, although this boycot thing can only back fire.
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I disagree about it backfiring - to be honest, the whole gamesmanship thing needs to be sorted out once and for all, not only walking and non-walking debate (which has of course led to allegations of hypocrisy), but also now the absurd situation of a fielding captain giving a batsman out.

It would be sad to see one of the last presumptions of honesty in world sport gone out of the game, but unless everyone is willing to forgo a temporary advantage (which, lets face it, they dont appear to be) then officialdom needs to take a hand. 3rd Umpire reviews of all dismissals in all international games pretty much have to come in now, rather than challenges.
 
also, i did laugh at one of the comments on that blog post:

Hemanth Gowda said:
Dude, you are one heluvva guy. Great questions directed at the captain of the biggest cheaters the game has seen (since pakistan)
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:D
 
I fully support their boycott...taking a fileding captain's word a player was out was stupid enough but then such a serious allegation needs evidence not one person's hearsay.

Seeing as that doesn't seem to exist Australia can go fuck themselves. People in glass houses and all.
 
Why is the word "monkey"(which is according to the news I've heard the racial slur used) offensive to Australians? Maybe it was context or something. If it was preceeded by remarks about Australia not being fit for an indian prisoner or something thats understandable but the word Monkey? Wah? :confused:
 
Fair enough. Being radio news and not being a regular watcher of cricket I missed an obvious charateristic that would of made the reason for the offence (sadly) more obvious. Thanks for the link.
 
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