scott_forester
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Don't you think setting out to kill Jewish kids would affect any support people have for those being killed in Gaza now?
Hamas: we'll kill Jewish childeren.
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Don't you think setting out to kill Jewish kids would affect any support people have for those being killed in Gaza now?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
It's really not liked at college/uni to have reservist strutting around in uniform and carrying weapon:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/930827.html (2007)
Also, the majority of students don't seem amoral to me.
At Hebrew Unviversity some 100 Jewish students chanted support for the IDF operations with slogans such as "May your village burn", "See you in reserves" and "Take their identification cards away"
This in opposition to the larger coalition of over 200 Jewish and Arab Israeli students protesting against Gaza attacks with "Gaza, Gaza, don't despair, we will put an end to the occupation".
Spion
I hear ya
Of course. But anyone who is not completely ignorant will understand why they've said it.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
We are all someone's child, scott_forester
audiotech
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Apparently, the only reporter in Gazza is reporting 40 dead today - a number of those dead being Palestinian children.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wow.
First off is he elected? secondly, does it matter if he is or is isn't? What is the argument you're trying to make?
I don't doubt that Hamas have vowed to avenge these attacks, but I think it must have taken a fairly hysterical writer to get this:
a top Hamas leader broke cover to warn Israel that the Islamists would kill Jewish children anywhere in the world in revenge for their own young who have died in the devastating assault.
From this, even before you consider what's been lost in translation from Arabic, which is IMO, a very hyberbolic language:
“They have legitimised the murder of their own children by killing the children of Palestine,” said Mahmoud Zahar, in a televised broadcast recorded at a secret location. “They have legitimised the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people.”
a top Hamas leader broke cover to warn Israel that the Islamists would kill Jewish children anywhere in the world in revenge for their own young who have died in the devastating assault.
From this, even before you consider what's been lost in translation from Arabic, which is IMO, a very hyberbolic language:
“They have legitimised the murder of their own children by killing the children of Palestine,” said Mahmoud Zahar, in a televised broadcast recorded at a secret location. “They have legitimised the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people.”
butchersapron
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Yeah, but you know, that's what the terriosts do. (thank you for pointing that out btw, i was well lazy in not following that up)
Johnny Canuck3
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Where on earth would Hamas get the idea of destroying schools, hospitals and religious buildings from
No no no, the question is about putting weapons caches near or in schools, mosques or hospitals.
butchersapron
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and he gave you an answer.
Johnny Canuck3
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I'll bet not. Back then, they exhibited a bit of honour and morality in how they conducted war.
Johnny Canuck3
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In other words, using the bodies of your own people as pawns in the propaganda game.
Putting your own citizens deliberately in harm's way, so that you can get a good soundbite on CNN the following evening.
Johnny Canuck3
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I think they attacked Baghdad because Saddam's administration was headquarted there; but I could be wrong.
Johnny Canuck3
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No, it's a manifesto. It's what they will do, should they get more power.
Das Kapital was just a book under the arm of some gray haired guy at the British Library at first. Mein Kampf was a book under the bunk in some guy's cell, at first.
Powerless rants and declarations, at first.
I was trying to make the point that many people constantly say that Hamas was elected in an attempt to justify their actions.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
No they didn't. The whole mythology of the noble warrior is precisely that - mythology. Throughout history armies have committed atrocities designed to demoralise and degrade the sprits of their foes, by prooving that they are both militarily stronger, and are also prepared to go further in order to win.
Remember Brando's monologue to Willard in Apocalypse Now, about the strength of the Vietcong hacking off the limbs of the innoculated kids? That behaviour wasn't invented in the C20th, it has been a factor in warfare since we started clubbing each other. Mass rape, massacring of civilian populations, throwing the heads of your enemies people back to them - the only differene about the modern era is that we see it all minute by minute and in living colour.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And tom?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
During the attack on Baghdad they explained away any reports of hitting civilian targets with "oh sorry but there was an anti-aircraft battery there, it's Saddam's fault for deliberately placing them next to kitten orphanages".
Which doesn't really sound very believable when you actually have a stated policy of inflicting general damage for psychological effect, but hey, terrists.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Gaza City is one of the most densely populated places on earth. The whole Gaza Strip including the agricultural bits such as they are and the deserty bits has a population density about the same as Central London.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Of course, there's no chance that the man who gassed Kurdish villages full of civilians, might actually put batteries next to civilian buildings like hospitals etc.
butchersapron
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You just don't bother any more do you?
Johnny Canuck3
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FridgeMagnet
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The fact is that the people concerned pretend that they can - and want to - do "surgical strikes", when they can't and don't want to anyway. Destroying civilian infrastructure and killing people has a psychological effect. You may remember something called "shock and awe".
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Butcher's answer when he gets tongue tied: become the pedantic, disapproving uncle, withholding is favour. 
butchersapron
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Well, we all saw you unravelling last year..and there's just not much left.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Sure, but Israel appears to still be following the strategy laid out in Mussolini's mate Jabotinsky's 'Iron Wall', while Hamas have been keen to discuss as settlement based on the right of return and the 1967 borders for years now.
Of course, that's pretty inconvenient for Israel if it is still following Jabotinsky's strategy isn't it?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's an odd charecterisation.Butcher's answer when he gets tongue tied: become the pedantic, disapproving uncle, withholding is favour.
FridgeMagnet
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