Hamas murders 8 Israelis today

[kakuma]

the difference is, nobody turns out to stick up for the Israeli murderers in the like you are doing for Palestinians

 

[likesfish]

depressing from the israeli side I can see there anger HAmas are on ceasefire but islamic jihad are not
islamic jihad may go on ceasefire but real islamic jihad won't .
as the PA can't control all the assorted nutters who want to send kids to kill israeli's what exactly is in it for the israeli goverment to negoatiate with them?

 

[astronaut]

Astronorks;

Dipstick.

So are you saying that terrorism is acceptable if no-one is killed?

Even if the aim of the terrorism is to kill?

It seems you are very easy with Israeli lives.

Palestinian life is sacred; Israeli life is worthless?

You sound exactly like a settler talking about Palestinians.

 

[cemertyone]

I thought they where killed as part of I.J. policy of " targetted assination"....so there`s not much difference between what happened at that cafe and what the Israelis are doing every single day to the Pal people....
Tit for tat...

 

[moono]

Astronorks;

So are you saying that terrorism is acceptable if no-one is killed? Even if the aim of the terrorism is to kill?
It seems you are very easy with Israeli lives.
Palestinian life is sacred; Israeli life is worthless?
You sound exactly like a settler talking about Palestinians.

Nothing you've written here relates to me. It's all a figment of your own deviousness. Connect it to me or blow, wormtongue.

 

[astronaut]

Nothing you've written here relates to me. It's all a figment of your own deviousness. Connect it to me or blow, wormtongue.

When I said that 2 Israelis had been killed with rockets, you chose to ignore it, and responded with "dipstick"

What other message am I supposed to understand?

Fact is: you are so partial in this conflict that you are contributing to the violence, not to solving it.

Fact is: you seem to relish in this role.

Fact is: you're as much a warmonger as any settler or Hamas terrorist.

 

[moono]

When I said that 2 Israelis had been killed with rockets, you chose to ignore it, and responded with "dipstick"

Completely false. You are not a well poyson.

Hamas terrorist

There ya go, dipstick. Hamas have maintained a ceasefire since August 2004. I think you ought to look at your Zionist heroes for instruction on 'terrorism'.

 

[astronaut]

There ya go, dipstick. Hamas have maintained a ceasefire since August 2004. I think you ought to look at your Zionist heroes for instruction on 'terrorism'.

I think the language I used was: "settler or Hamas terrorist."

Perhaps I should refer to you as a terrorist as well? Seems appropriate.

 

[cemertyone]

I think the language I used was: "settler or Hamas terrorist."

Perhaps I should refer to you as a terrorist as well? Seems appropriate.

Perhaps your NOT AWARE that isreali citizens are not Terrorists even if they engage in terroist acts.. A recent ruling from the (I believe) Isreali interior ministry has refused to allow isreali arabs injured by jewish settler citizens of that state to claim any form of compensation from the state for injuries recieved by them.
It stated quite clearly that only Pal acts can be considered as " terrorism" and that even if jewish citizens of the state engage in such activities that these acts are not defined as terrorist acts....
One rule for one..one rule for another...do you agree with that ruling i wonder??

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Today, Hamas murdered 8 Israeli citizens in Tel Aviv.

God rest their souls.

I notice that none of the murderer's apologists have bothered to note that this has occured.

It seems that to them only Israel can commit murder.

Hamas are truly the scum of the earth. I really wonder why Israel is so tolerant of them, the time is more than overdue for a very firm lesson.

erm it was islamic jihad you wanna try changing the title to something more like the truth ...

Monday's bombing, carried out by the Islamic Jihad group

sure hamas didn't condem the act do you condem the actions of the isreali defence force fireing air to surface missiles from planes into the Gaza strip continually for the last week??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4917704.stm

or is that fine with you???


continualy kick a dog eventually it will fear bite and when it does it'll do you harm... still the 8 killed aren't as many as isreal have wiped off the face of the earth in the last week let alone since the cease fire ...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Fact is: you are so partial in this conflict that you are contributing to the violence, not to solving it.

Fact is: you seem to relish in this role.

Fact is: you're as much a warmonger as any settler or Hamas terrorist.

i think you ought to back up these claims right now son or face the wrath of the mod's for daring to suggest that a poster is a known terroist and that urban would have any truck in harbouring such a person... so can we see some vailidation for this claims of 'facts' please, which are undeniable or a retraction and apology to the poster...

 

[astronaut]

i think you ought to back up these claims right now son or face the wrath of the mod's for daring to suggest that a poster is a known terroist and that urban would have any truck in harbouring such a person... so can we see some vailidation for this claims of 'facts' please, which are undeniable or a retraction and apology to the poster...

I think that moono has been extremely provocative to me, no?

As for calling him a terrorist, anyone as partisan as him (on either side) has a great deal of thinking to do about how they are contributing to the violence.

Provocation is a form of violence, and moono seems to relish his role as an agent provocateur.

 

[astronaut]

Perhaps your NOT AWARE that isreali citizens are not Terrorists even if they engage in terroist acts.. A recent ruling from the (I believe) Isreali interior ministry has refused to allow isreali arabs injured by jewish settler citizens of that state to claim any form of compensation from the state for injuries recieved by them.
It stated quite clearly that only Pal acts can be considered as " terrorism" and that even if jewish citizens of the state engage in such activities that these acts are not defined as terrorist acts....
One rule for one..one rule for another...do you agree with that ruling i wonder??

In private, I refer to settlers as terrorists as well.

In public, I refer to them as warring parties that need to be reconciled rather than provoked, to create an atmosphere that is condusive to peace.

I hold the same views about Hamas/Jihad etc.

The current discussion however relates to going's on in Gaza (where there are no settlers) and Tel Aviv (where there are no settlers either).

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

no it isn't, hamas are the government of palestine, you might not like it and i can't say i was too overjoyed but it's true, they're not doing things like this any more. they've had a ceasefire for the last year and there's no fucking way they'd undermine their already fragile position by doing something like this.

islamic jihad are just a bunch of "militants" who aren't too fond of hamas or any of the other groups operating in palestine/israel either.

I am not naive enough to think that these groups are totally independant of one another.

no what you are Sas is to fucking illiertately informed to know a damn thing about it yet are happy to mouth off like the charlatan snake oil sales man to expose your racist anti arab sentament in a cultrally releative manner...

stop acting like a cock yeah...

 

[moono]

Astronorks;

agent provocateur

LOL !! Is that someone that works for Anne Summers ?

You won't find, anywhere, any call to violence from me. Your accusations are idiocy. What you WILL find are sound arguments, backed by sensible links, which identify the current Israeli regime as a terrorist regime. Your personal attacks, and those from other bigots, stem from you being unable to refute those arguments . You're in denial, as many Islamophobes are.

 

[astronaut]

You won't find, anywhere, any call to violence from me.

But justification of violence is OK, right?

Your personal attacks, and those from other bigots, stem from you being unable to refute those arguments . You're in denial, as many Islamophobes are.

Sounds a bit like a Zionist crying "anti-Semite", again.

 

[ViolentPanda]

the difference is, nobody turns out to stick up for the Israeli murderers in the like you are doing for Palestinians

Oh we've had them, you can be sure about that.

We had one (recently re-banned) dickhead who used to rhapsodise about the way the Israeli and their Falangist mates murdered Palestinians in Lebanon, and quite a few posters who happily admit that they don't believe there's any equivalence between the death of Israelis and the (numerically greater) death of Palestinians.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I think that moono has been extremely provocative to me, no?

As for calling him a terrorist, anyone as partisan as him (on either side) has a great deal of thinking to do about how they are contributing to the violence.

Provocation is a form of violence, and moono seems to relish his role as an agent provocateur.

you seem to have missed the point about the information you posted.

If it is fact it is documentable verifiable and refferenceable.

If it is fact then as a website based with in the UK the Moderation staff of Urban 75 would be under obligation to surrender all details and information about a Known terrorist who was using these boards as a communication deivice of any kind.

If it was fact then Urban75 may well be shut down permenatly in order to prevent further such terrorist communications

If it was fact then the owner and possible the moderation staff of this website could well face criminal charges under the terrorism act for aidieing and abeiting a known terrorist and for actions likley to cause a terrorist act.

So if you have evidence that Moono is a terrorist as you claim it is fact (as per the condititions laid out above) i suggest that you present it now or alternatively admit that in your haste to use high handed rethoric you inadvertantly said something which not only was unjustified and unwarrented, but also put the site in jerprody for the entire user base in order to attempt to score points in some pointless internet bulletin board flame war whcih has more to do with your ego than anything else...

let's face fact's you know bugger all about the poster and are making claims which are not only riseable but could also end up with you being permenantly excluded base on the above...

i think that an apology and a retraction is in order and you should be sensible enough to do so and also to edit your posts accordingly in order not to place a site such as this in jedordy if you cannot face this then there will be little recourse but to report you and request your banning ...

so what's it to be...

with regards to

anyone as partisan as him (on either side) has a great deal of thinking to do about how they are contributing to the violence.

you consider it partisanism i see it as a soildarity with those who are being brutalised; would it be partisanism to have given people in austwietz food and water, or soildarity????

think about it...

Provocation is a form of violence, and moono seems to relish his role as an agent provocateur.

you are right provocation is a form of violence woudl you not also say that the some 26 or more people killed in the last week or so in Gaza is not only provokation but act's of extreme aggression...

as for moono, the poster is setting you straight when you continually place up inaccurate information, if you assume that constantly beign corrected in your inaccuracies is soem form of attack then you need help, you have two solutions though cease posting at all especially when it is inaccruate in articualte prejuidice nonsense, or perfferably look into the matters about whcih you claim to speak with authority and look at the real hard evidence... ie do your bloody research....

In private, I refer to settlers as terrorists as well.

whoop de doo for you...

this is as prejudiced as anything else and also doesn't really show a great depth of knowledge on the subject, are the poor people forced out of jeruselam and given cheap rent housing in mala ad'dumim terrorist when all they can afford on their cleaning ladies wages is this?

no of course not yet they are still settlers....

having a this is terrorist that is terrorism polemic is neither accurate or factually correct, and more over has not on ounce of relevance on the ground ....

The current discussion however relates to going's on in Gaza (where there are no settlers) and Tel Aviv (where there are no settlers either)

well no there are no settlers in gaza just on the outside of it in land stolen in the nackba... take a look at the pre 46 maps... tell me again about the no settlers...

telaviv well no not settlers, persay, though the argument could be amde that they are all settlers...

 

[astronaut]

telaviv well no not settlers, persay, though the argument could be amde that they are all settlers...

I'm sure many BNP supporters would like to send non-white residents of Britain back to where they come from. Are they also justified?

 

[astronaut]

you consider it partisanism i see it as a soildarity with those who are being brutalised; would it be partisanism to have given people in austwietz food and water, or soildarity????

So you really think that Gaza is another Auschwitz?

Tell me, if you made that claim to an Israeli rightist, what do you think their reaction would be?

1. Would they would burst into tears and say you were right all along, and that they will now happily make peace with the Palestinians, return occupied land, etc.?

Or

2. Are they likely to dismiss you as an fruitcake who proves that anti-zionists are really anti-semitic, and then go out and solidify the occupation because their perceptions have been confirmed by interacting with you?

I think 2.

In short, comparing Gaza to Auschwitz is extremely provocative and counter productive, and will only help create violence rather than end it.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So you really think that Gaza is another Auschwitz?

Tell me, if you made that claim to an Israeli rightist, what do you think their reaction would be?

1. Would they would burst into tears and say you were right all along, and that they will now happily make peace with the Palestinians, return occupied land, etc.?

Or

2. Are they likely to dismiss you as an fruitcake who proves that anti-zionists are really anti-semitic, and then go out and solidify the occupation because their perceptions have been confirmed by interacting with you?

I think 2.

In short, comparing Gaza to Auschwitz is extremely provocative and counter productive, and will only help create violence rather than end it.

i didn't make the comparision of similar circumstance i made one of soildarity if you choose to make it one of circumstance then it shows you underlying thinking, n'est pas...

either way you'd be hard pressed to define gaza as anything other than a large open air prison and should the israeli govt fail to allow water and food into it in the next week you may well see the deaths of several 100 people, from enforced and collective punishment starvation...

true there are no gas showers or ovens but then there were no f14's in 1942... or artillery posed around the parimeter launching 2000 shells plus a month at you...

as fpr

I'm sure many BNP supporters would like to send non-white residents of Britain back to where they come from. Are they also justified?

have a close look at the before and after maps can you tell what's changed??

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/1947-un-partition-plan-reso.html

you have no intest other than in point scoring i suggest you still need to apologise publish or retract ...

 

[astronaut]

have a close look at the before and after maps can you tell what's changed??

http://www.passia.org/palestine_fac...-plan-reso.html

you have no intest other than in point scoring i suggest you still need to apologise publish or retract ...

I'm quite sure a BNP member could make a map of England to show where immigrant infiltration has forced the departure of white "true" English people.

Are you suggesting that such a map would be valid?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I'm quite sure a BNP member could make a map of England to show where immigrant infiltration has forced the departure of white "true" English people.

Are you suggesting that such a map would be valid?

hmm the difference between your fantasy anayology and the map i presented you with is of coruse you have an obbsession boarding on the clinically deranged about skin head illiterate monkey boys with racist intent however no matter how much you which to effect this homoerrotic tableau with you own skin head porn it changes not one jot the fact the before and after maps are quite accurate indeed they are the much championed by yourself FACT of the matter...

any such map created by the british nacyboys party would of course not have been created out of a military action taken by an aggressive and militarily superuiour group of imigrants granted leave to remain by a un enforced and poorly considered mandate whcih was designed to ensure the free flow of oil into the west....

you closet fantasict now then are you going to post up proof or moono being an active terrorist or a retraction...

ANSWER THE QUESTION ...

 

[spring-peeper]

Monstersandcritics just posted an article on how this is being covered in Arabic papers. http://news.monstersandcritics.com/...56386.php/Review_of_the_Arab_press_-_April_18

 

[moono]

Good link. The Arabic papers seem united in despair. There's a thread of resolve though, which looks like strengthening.

you closet fantasict now then are you going to post up proof or moono being an active terrorist or a retraction...

Lol ! I just got done with another lying toe-rag calling me a racist. Perhaps they think the Internet isn't 'real life' or something.

 

[astronaut]

hmm the difference between your fantasy anayology and the map i presented you with is of coruse you have an obbsession boarding on the clinically deranged about skin head illiterate monkey boys with racist intent however no matter how much you which to effect this homoerrotic tableau with you own skin head porn it changes not one jot the fact the before and after maps are quite accurate indeed they are the much championed by yourself FACT of the matter...

any such map created by the british nacyboys party would of course not have been created out of a military action taken by an aggressive and militarily superuiour group of imigrants granted leave to remain by a un enforced and poorly considered mandate whcih was designed to ensure the free flow of oil into the west....

you closet fantasict now then are you going to post up proof or moono being an active terrorist or a retraction...

ANSWER THE QUESTION ...

I'm having considerable difficulty understanding what you're on about.

Where did I call moono an "active terrorist"? WTF are you on about?

 

[rachamim18]

Usual Goodwill

Saseferrato: Actually, the latest attack, yesterday's at the Old Bus Terminal in Tel Aviv was the joint handiwork of both PIJ and al Akhsa according to a video shown all over PA TV yesterday. The one right before, Saturday night at the Stage Disco was the community service of PIJ,although even they seemed a bit perplexed at first, and only copped to it after spokesmen from the Damascus HQ offered an official release claiming it. One would figure that the people that actually undertook the bloodletting would have the most knowledge but as I often say, things are never black and white.

As for HAMAS, Hineyeh played it cagey. He bit his tongue, as one would expect when he is the figurehead on a burgeoning financial enterprise. His spokesman [no gender neutral p.c. terminology here folks, Islam doesn't permit the fairer sex to hold that position] Ghazi Hamad offered that the latest bombing was Israel's fault in that their policies caused it. HAMAS Chief Spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri stated that it was "self defence."

So, while HAMAS is evidently clicking its heels, it did not actually undertake the latest two attacks. HAMAS has left the fun and games to PIJ, al Akhsa, PFLP, and Fatah renegade cells.

Frogwoman: So, "Israel has attacked civilians?" You maintain that Israel has an actual policy that calls for attacking civlians? See, there is a bit of a difference between engaging armed men and inadvertantly hitting civilians because said armed men CHOOSE to hide among their innocent neighbours, and holding an actual AVOWED strategy that calls for attacking civilians in order to achieve political and/or military victory.

 

[rachamim18]

More and more...

Frogwoman: While HAMAS is not actually undertaking the attacks, they are facilitating them and that is where Israel is correct in pointing the finger. The HAMAS PM is silent? Abbas had to sic the Fatah Security Forces to arrest two PIJ operatives [trying to garner both Israeli and US support] while HAMAS did nothing?


NorthenHoard: "War with Israel's Right?" Um, the TERRORISM Arabs are committing is not against the Israeli "right." They are not bombing Likud or Gush Emunim rallies. they are attacking ALL Israelis, including Israeli Arabs.


Israel does not attack civilians, by any means...certainly not by copter. It does attcak ILLEGAL [i.e.criminal] militants who engage in terrorism. these militants choose to hide among their innocent neighbours and this is wherethe problemlies. Sadly, Israel would be remiss if it did not seek , by any means at its disposal, to safeguard ITS citizens. It is up to the PA to safeguard ITS citizens by arresting militants and preventing their horrendous bloodletting. If the PA did this, according to their own laws, and International Law, and according to numerous signed International Agreements it is party to, Israel would have no reason whatsoeverto fly armed copters anywhere near any "Palestinian."


TAE: IDF snipers DO NOT target civilains. They NEVER HAVE.


Donna: Israel has killedmore children simply because Israel is attemtping to defend itself against groups of terrorists who not only hide among non-combatants, including children, but also terrorists who recruit and employ children. Case in point, the latest bomber was 16. His death mind you will be recorded as a child's death.

There is no breakdown of demographics. Of children listed as killed by Israeli forces, there is no listing of their memberships [if any] in outlawed armed groups. There is not even any forensics invstigation to ascertain that Israelis actually killed them!


In fact, in one of the most closely monitored places in the world, by cctv, by media of all forms, by independant and activist observers, almost none of these deaths are witnessed. An errant shot fells a child. A 9 year old sitting down to supper is hit with small arms fire, a seemingly random shot. The child is brought to a "Palestinian Hospital and the doctor, talking to the media, condemns Israeli aggression. This in a place where the culture dictates a man is not a man unless he has a weapon and these weapons are fired at all celebrations, and protests. Surely you are aware that the first law passed by the new Lebanese P.M. , after taking office, was the law against firing guns in celebrations. The reason? Two little girls were killed by errant gunfire during the celebrations the day beofre marking his win.
So, you see that the issue is not so black and white [damn that might be construed as my signature soon].

 

[rachamim18]

My ulcer,my friend...

Donna: What dies religious faith have to do with Israeli allegedly civilians? If you are referring to most "Palestinian" groups, correct indeed.

Dexter: No, Israel did not "start it last week." It was started by an organised Arab onslught of peacful Jewish pilgrims in 1920. If you have any hope of even remotely understanding the violence you need to trace it to the beginning, not a weeks worth of tit for tat.

Moono: 26 "Palestinians lkilled so far this month? CORRECT. 21 of whom were avowed militants. 2more were so called "suicide bombers. Finally, 3 were innocnet civilians who were killed when their brethren chose to launch murderous attacks from their midst.

Love the heartfelt photo by the way on page 1, very good propaganda. I do hope you know the story behind that lovely shot. If you do, you are definitely an apologist for murderers.

 

[rachamim18]

By Jove, Rachamim HAS got it!!!

Moono: Here I was wondering in the last post whether or not you were in fact an apologist for murderers and then I see on Page 2 that you call these two bombings "RETALIATION." NoMoono, they are murder. I wonder, if you were standing in line to go wherever it is you MIGHT go, and man with a knapsack walked up and detonated 4 pounds of Semtex wrapped in ballbearings and sheetrock nails, how you'd term it?

If one considers the "Palestinian" fight a just cause, and I do not, then a just cause should target military targets. Israel targets Qassam sites, hence the 2000 shells you mention [2000 in 2 weeks by the way with 400 in just last Thursday and Friday] that targeted KNOWN Qassam launching sites and manufacturing facilities. Instead, your freedom fighters are targeting teens, babies, elderly, and so on. How is blowing up a line outside a bus terminal, or a line outside a disco "RETALIATION?"

I have a newsflash for you, a contigious state is not part of any law, and it was never offered to the Arabs in any of the Partions offers. Contigious borders have NOTHING AT ALL to do with making a viable state.


Fenian: YES, almost all the 26 major militant groups ARE fully separate entities, with disparate ideologies, etc. However, since the so called "First Intifadeh" in 1987 they have had a so called "Central Resistance Committee" that has functioned as a fully effective liason between all these groups so that all activities are sanctioned so that a blow by one, is a blow by all. In additoon, HAMAS is now in charge of the envisoned "Palestinian State" so that their support of these attacks IS a responsability of sorts.

NinjaBoy: NO, THERE IS NO SUCH ISRAELI POLICY OF KILLING 2 "PALESTINIANS" FOR EVER 1 ISRAELI KILLED. Please post facts, not innuendo.