Hamas murders 8 Israelis today

[moono]

has hamas condemned the murders?

Are you kidding ?? Palestine starving, 2,000 Israeli artillery rounds fall on Gaza this month, twenty-six Palestinians murdered by the IOF this month, including children, and you're suggesting that Hamas condemns retaliation ? They're poli-effin-ticians.

Furthermore, they are , in all likelihood, expecting the IOF to start targeting THEM for assassination even though they had eff-all to do with it.

 

[Fenian]

You'll be telling me next that PIRA and Sinn Fein are separate entities, and that all the incarnations of the IRA are separate entities.

Yes you Daily Mail-believing sap.

SF and the 'RA have the same political ideology, come from the same background and there has at times been dual membership in the case of some individuals but they are distinct in organisational terms; the brighter elements among the British state realise this, it's just twits from the all-Fenians-are-scum contingent who say otherwise.

Oh, and Hamas and Islamic Jihad are separate organisations, with separate political structures, ideology and tactics.

This thread has become saddled with your careless innacurracies and blanket statements.

 

[kakuma]

Are you kidding ?? Palestine starving, 2,000 Israeli artillery rounds fall on Gaza this month, twenty-six Palestinians murdered by the IOF this month, including children, and you're suggesting that Hamas condemns retaliation ? They're poli-effin-ticians.

but if they don't isolate the murderers on their own side, they can't hope to isolate the murderous regime they are fighting imo

i'm sure i've heard that the israeli army has some policy where they will kill 2 palestinians for every israeli killed. is killing israeli's really the best way for palestinians to get their message across?

 

[northernhord]

yeah that sums it up...apart from the religious faith bit ... **walks away from thread** especially since donna's one of the posters i actually like

But people of strong faith (not all) do cause religious conflict, look at those sharoot chewing backward scumbags in the deep south of America, not to mention the Jewish and Muslim fundamentalists that warp and pollute the minds of decent people all over the middle east, religion should keep its nose out of civic affairs, we are informed by rational not religious law.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes you Daily Mail-believing sap.

SF and the 'RA have the same political ideology, come from the same background and there has at times been dual membership in the case of some individuals but they are distinct in organisational terms; the brighter elements among the British state realise this, it's just twits from the all-Fenians-are-scum contingent who say otherwise.

Yep. As for the "incarnations of the IRA" comment, I'm sure the stickies and the provies wouldn't have bothered warring if Sass had told them they were all embers of the same organisation.

To think that he could have averted all that bloodshed and couldn't be arsed!

Oh, and Hamas and Islamic Jihad are separate organisations, with separate political structures, ideology and tactics.

This thread has become saddled with your careless innacurracies and blanket statements.

Yeah, but generalities are so much easier than having to actually do a bit of research beyond the Daily Telegraph, innit?

 

[moono]

but if they don't isolate the murderers on their own side, they can't hope to isolate the murderous regime they are fighting imo

Go demand that Bush puts an end to all gun crime in Detroit. He's the President, he controls the government, gun crime in Detroit ought to be gone by breakfast. Laugh.

 

[kakuma]

Go demand that Bush puts an end to all gun crime in Detroit. He's the President, he controls the government, gun crime in Detroit ought to be gone by breakfast. Laugh.

so you think they should just keep blowing each other up

 

[moono]

No, I think Hamas ought to be recognised as a legitimate government,according to law, the seige of Palestine ought to be broken, according to law, Israel should go home, according to law, and a 'viable and contiguous' Palestinian State , according to law, should be up and running by next Tuesday lunchtime.
I have no time for Zionist illegalities, American hypocrisy or the Israeli bomb. I might be at an advantage.

 

[frogwoman]

But people of strong faith (not all) do cause religious conflict, look at those sharoot chewing backward scumbags in the deep south of America, not to mention the Jewish and Muslim fundamentalists that warp and pollute the minds of decent people all over the middle east, religion should keep its nose out of civic affairs, we are informed by rational not religious law.

anyone can cause a conflict, and "religious" wars are normally fought under the guise of religion, and actually for geopolitical reasons

 

[kakuma]

No, I think Hamas ought to be recognised as a legitimate government,according to law, the seige of Palestine ought to be broken, according to law, Israel should go home, according to law, and a 'viable and contiguous' Palestinian State , according to law, should be up and running by next Tuesday lunchtime.
I have no time for Zionist illegalities, American hypocrisy or the Israeli bomb. I might be at an advantage.

in a perfect world.....

murder is still murder tho, however just the cause, the people who were murdered were probly just going to work same as everyone else. i can't be arsed to argue about the way it should be, cos i might as well be talking to a jehovas witness.....

 

[moono]

the people who were murdered were probly just going to work same as everyone else. i can't be arsed to argue about the way it should be, cos i might as well be talking to a jehovas witness.....

Oh right, Mr. Compassionate eh ? Where were you when twenty-six Palestinians got murdered this month ? 'Just going to work' eh ? I can tell you where the 9-year old Palestinian girl was when the IOF shell blew her head off.
A guy named Mofaz gave the order to fire. Even after he'd murdered civilians, when asked to direct his guns elsewhere he refused. They LIKE killing Palestinians and , no doubt, they are very off-piste that a revenge squad got past their stupid wall. They will now feel that they have to inflict greater carnage in order to redeem their failed architecture.

 

[kakuma]

Oh right, Mr. Compassionate eh ? Where were you when twenty-six Palestinians got murdered this month ? 'Just going to work' eh ? I can tell you where the 9-year old Palestinian girl was when the IOF shell blew her head off.
A guy named Mofaz gave the order to fire. Even after he'd murdered civilians, when asked to direct his guns elsewhere he refused. They LIKE killing Palestinians and , no doubt, they are very off-piste that a revenge squd got past their stupid wall.

i totally condemn that. it's fucking disgusting

i would never do express anything but disgust at any organisation which murders innocent civilians. how about you?

 

[frogwoman]

Oh right, Mr. Compassionate eh ? Where were you when twenty-six Palestinians got murdered this month ? 'Just going to work' eh ? I can tell you where the 9-year old Palestinian girl was when the IOF shell blew her head off.
A guy named Mofaz gave the order to fire. Even after he'd murdered civilians, when asked to direct his guns elsewhere he refused. They LIKE killing Palestinians and , no doubt, they are very off-piste that a revenge squad got past their stupid wall. They will now feel that they have to inflict greater carnage in order to redeem their failed architecture.

yeah but come on mate, it wasn't soldiers getting killed in that bomb, was it?

it went off by a falafel store, what a fucking hotbed of military activity ...

 

[frogwoman]

They LIKE killing Palestinians

Who's "they"?

forget it i can't be arsed

 

[northernhord]

anyone can cause a conflict, and "religious" wars are normally fought under the guise of religion, and actually for geopolitical reasons

Yeah some might be geopolitical but it doesnt alter the fact that horrible things are done in the name of allah Adonai and YVHV does it, fuckin nutters these fundamentalists, we need to move towards something a little more secular and rational before all the armegeddonists turn us all to dust.

 

[moono]

Who's "they"? forget it i can't be arsed

The IOF, don't ask.

yeah but come on mate, it wasn't soldiers getting killed in that bomb, was it? it went off by a falafel store, what a fucking hotbed of military activity ..

And how would you describe a Palestinian family's front room ? Attack headquarters ?

Since the start of April, Israeli forces say they have fired more than 2,000 artillery shells into the northern Gaza Strip.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4910810.stm

Relatives mourn an eight-year-old Gazan girl killed this week

 

[moono]

WEll, come on smart-arses, explain what makes Israeli civilians more entitled to life than Palestinian civilians.


Edit; It's always the same. Weeks of Palestinian corpses and nobody gives a toss. Comparatively few Israeli casualties and the threads become saturated by the incensed and the inarticulate, Stars of Hypocrisy burning in the firmament.

 

[Col_Buendia]

Twenty-six Palestinians killed by the IOF this month so far.

I'd like to see a comment from the OP regarding this small detail.

 

[frogwoman]

The IOF, don't ask.



And how would you describe a Palestinian family's front room ? Attack headquarters ?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4910810.stm

Relatives mourn an eight-year-old Gazan girl killed this week

i know and you wont find me excusing what the israeli governmnet have done...

its absolutely fucking disgusting



but so is this suicide bombing which didn't target any soldiers just civilians as far as i can see.

 

[frogwoman]

WEll, come on smart-arses, explain what makes Israeli civilians more entitled to life than Palestinian civilians.


Edit; It's always the same. Weeks of Palestinian corpses and nobody gives a toss. Comparatively few Israeli casualties and the threads become saturated by the incensed and the inarticulate, Stars of Hypocrisy burning in the firmament.

nothing does ... its just horrible

 

[astronaut]

Comparatively few Israeli casualties

Why is it so easy for you to dismiss the deaths of 9 Israelis? Are these people less human than Palestinians?

You know as well as I do that a lot more Palestinians are going to die as a consequence of this attack.

Such an escalation is nothing to be smug about.

 

[frogwoman]

yeah...some peoples behaviour on this thread goes to show that extremist zionists and and extremist anti-zionists are two sides of the same coin, much as they delude themselves that they're not, and you cant have a sensible discussion with either of them .

its impossible to be pro-israeli without a massive amount of self-delusion and dehumanisation of the palestinians and the same goes for the other side too. which is why i support neither of them and wish the whole place would disappear, well you know what i mean.

its impossible for this conflict to be resolved, like with everything, while people's views are so polarised

 

[JHE]

I've just seen a bit of film of the suicide bomber on the TV news. Apparently, he was 18. He looked like a child.

Is there any hope for peace? Hamas & Islamic Jihad are committed to the destruction of Israel. Israel is not going to accept its own destruction. The prospects are grim.

 

[frogwoman]

yeah there is, there's just been loads of missed opportunities (by israel recently, but by both sides) and that's what makes it infuriating.

 

[Fenian]

Hamas would realistically agree to a deal based on international law and agreements were it on the table i.e. an end of the occupation and land-grabs/illegal annexation under the apartheid wall.

It's not on offer, partly because Israel feels no pressure from the USA its military funder to conform with international law.

For the record, I oppose all attacks on civilians yet recognise the context. The Palestinians do not have attack helicopters. I recognise that Israel committed the greatest number in the run-up to today and no doubt will exceed that number in the days ahead.

 

[moono]

Astronorks;

Why is it so easy for you to dismiss the deaths of 9 Israelis? Are these people less human than Palestinians?

I'm not dismissing them, I'm pointing out that everyone who has appeared to vent their wrath has dismissed the far greater numbers of Palestinians killed previously. It's my charge that these criticisms, like yours, are simply part of an hypocrisy fest.
Hamas have , rightfully, called an end to reprisal assassinations of Israelis within Israel. Since Hamas were elected the Zionists have gone out of their way to provoke Palestinians into violence, artillery shelling, tank attacks, sniping, border closures, starvation, arrests and extra-judicial executions.

There is a deep bias at work here, a bias against Palestinians and in favour of the aggressive Zionist State. Look at the title of this thread. It's a complete fabrication yet it's allowed to remain unchanged. How come you haven't mentioned it ? It belongs in the 'Palestinians drink Israeli blood' cupboard along with 'Sharon stuffed and mounted'.

 

[astronaut]

I'm not dismissing them, I'm pointing out that everyone who has appeared to vent their wrath has dismissed the far greater numbers of Palestinians killed previously.

AFAIK, these Palestinians were killed in response to rocket attacks on Israel.

It is difficult to understand how rocket attacks or suicide bombings achieve anything, except justification for Israeli retaliation.

It's my charge that these criticisms, like yours, are simply part of an hypocrisy fest.

Look, it's hard to say anything without being accused by one side or the other - even a middle road / anti-violence approach is subject to accusations.

 

[moono]

AFAIK, these Palestinians were killed in response to rocket attacks on Israel.

I direct you to the 'Israeli wounded in mattress factory' thread. It clearly went straight over your flat head.

 

[astronaut]

I direct you to the 'Israeli wounded in mattress factory' thread. It clearly went straight over your flat head.

The consequences of rocket attacks is irrelevant.

The fact is, rockets are being fired, and that is used as justification for retaliation.

And I seem to recall that Israelis are killed by rocket attacks, including two on election day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4852574.stm

 

[moono]

Astronorks;

The consequences of rocket attacks is irrelevant.

Dipstick.