Hamas leaders targeted for assassination

[moono]

peet;

I think you'll find in many cases they're more effective than the regulars.

And that's coming from a numpty who knows better than von Riper and only yesterday was backing Fatah for a win.

 

[nino_savatte]

Many of us have been saying that to moono ever since he arrived.

Another L&L classic. No contribution, just a snide comment about a poster he doesn't like. In reality, he follows people around and makes snide comments because he is incapable of discussion and resents the fact that someone could be more capable than him in debate.

 

[Lock&Light]

ViolentPanda is describing Hamas/Fatah, of course, whilst you're trying to plagiarise him and straddle the Palestinian conflict overall.

I know what VP was referring to, moono. I simply think his comments equally apply to you.

Are you really as far gone as people like, for example, nino, who can't say anything without adding an insult to their comments?

 

[nino_savatte]

ViolentPanda is describing Hamas/Fatah, of course, whilst you're trying to plagiarise him and straddle the Palestinian conflict overall.

Disengaged twat.

Isn't he? If it's any consolation, we're both on L&L's shitlist. He's obsessed with us and he even follows me around the boards. have a look at his recent posting record and you will see that he makes no contributions and dishes out snide remarks that he thinks are 'clever'.

 

[Lock&Light]

Another L&L classic. No contribution, just a snide comment about a poster he doesn't like. In reality, he follows people around and makes snide comments because he is incapable of discussion and resents the fact that someone could be more capable than him in debate.

You haven't reported me for a couple of days now, nino. Are you slipping up?

 

[nino_savatte]

I know what VP was referring to, moono. I simply think his comments equally apply to you.

Are you really as far gone as people like, for example, nino, who can't say anything without adding an insult to their comments?

Oh, the irony. How many posts have you made where you contribute nothing to the discussion? Plenty. You don't make intelligent comments you make snide remarks.

 

[nino_savatte]

You haven't reported me for a couple of days now, nino. Are you slipping up?

And you're still following me around the boards, Schlock. No change there.

When was the last time you made a proper contribution to a thread?

 

[Lock&Light]

When was the last time you made a proper contribution to a thread?

One man's proper contribution is another's load of bullshit, nino. You, above all, must be aware of that.

 

[nino_savatte]

One man's proper contribution is another's load of bullshit, nino. You, above all, must be aware of that.

Ah, wriggle all you like Lock. All of your posts on any given thread are snide comments. You have nothing to say.

Get help.

 

[Lock&Light]

Ah, wriggle all you like Lock. All of your posts on any given thread are snide comments. You have nothing to say.

Get help.

Stupid boy!

 

[nino_savatte]

Stupid boy!

I see you're still stuck on this phrase, cretin.

How many threads have you derailed? Plenty. Shall we take a look?

 

[Lock&Light]

I see you're still stuck on this phrase, cretin.

How many threads have you derailed? Plenty. Shall we take a look?

Stupid boy!

 

[nino_savatte]

Stupid boy!

Braindead cretin.

 

[Lock&Light]

Anyway, I'll have to love you and leave you, nino, as I'm off for a pint in the Camanachd, on Portree's main square. Much preferable to listening to your obsessive ramblings.

 

[nino_savatte]

Anyway, I'll have to love you and leave you, nino, as I'm off for a pint in the Camanachd, on Portree's main square. Much preferable to listening to your obsessive ramblings.

I don't care where you're going. All I ask is that you end your miserable life now.

Oh and how can you "listen". I'm sure you meant "read" but you're always right...even when you're wrong - isn't that right, Schlock&Shite?

 

[Peet]

peet;


And that's coming from a numpty who knows better than von Riper and only yesterday was backing Fatah for a win.

It's coming from someone who reads MOD reports, someone who who knows that ex generals turned politician/hack are not to be trusted and yes I was hoping for a Fatah win but a decisve Hamas victory is just as good in terms of strategic prospects.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I note that you are unable to bring yourself to mention that hamas and fatah are killing innocent civilians.

It's implicit in the point.

You also fail to mention that hamas kill anyone they consider a threat as do fatah nor do these terrorists worry about "collateral damage".

Again, it's implicit in the point.

You're not able to read or comprehend English very well, are you?

No wonder you're a part-timer.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What is fascinating is the complete focus all those interviewed have on blaming Israel for what is going on - the interviewer is as exasperated and incredulous as I am about this.

It's about indoctrination.

The OPTs are (a point I've made ad nauseam on Urban and elsewhere) what I'd term "semi-closed" societies (think Western Isles ), where much contact with "the world outside" is mediated. This can allow ideas to take hold and reinforce them.
This is why (IMHO) you see similar (though opposing) views from settlers in the OPTs, even when they're economically rather than religiously and/or ideologically motivated. The conditions in the settlements make the reinforcement of ideas almost certain.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think you'll find in many cases they're more effective than the regulars.

They never were in my experience.

 

[nino_savatte]

They never were in my experience.

Did Peet just say what I thought he said? The part-timers are more "effective" than full time regulars?

I reckon our friend Peet is a returning troll.

 

[moono]

He's definitely got a rubber head.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Did Peet just say what I thought he said? The part-timers are more "effective" than full time regulars?

"In many cases", apparently.

In logistics, maybe (they might not have been as obsessed by thieving as the regulars), but elsewhere...?

I reckon our friend Peet is a returning troll.

Get away!

 

[Lock&Light]

Get away!

A man of your intelingence should be embaressed by now by those you appear to want to support. Can it it be that I'm over estimating your brain capacity, VP?

 

[nino_savatte]

A man of your intelingence should be embaressed by now by those you appear to want to support. Can it it be that I'm over estimating your brain capacity, VP?

Says the man who has nothing to contribute. More snide remarks. Quel surprise.

 

[bendeus]

Can I get things straight?

As far as I can make out we have a government that was democratically elected by popular majority in two non-contiguous territories constantly at threat from military incursion from the dominant regional military power, and in which civilian deaths as a result of that military's activity are a constant.

This government was elected as part of a political process encouraged and supported by the world's sole superpower in it's one-eyed pursuit of 'regional democracy' which it felt would support its farcical dreams of a democratic and pliant middle east. Unfortunately for the superpower, the wrong side won.

The party that the superpower backed had become a corrupt quisling interested only in shoring up its power base in the gulag societies it ruled over. Routine use of extrajudicial assassination, torture and intimidation and violence towards political opponents was de rigeur. Wholesale theft of aid money and state funds was common.

The wrong party was elected for two reasons as far as I can make out. Firstly, it promised an end to the endemic corruption, cronyism and despotism that had come to define the losing party. It also was unwilling to accept the bantustan solution that the supine first party appeared entirely willing to concede, and continued to demand restitution of the borders of its country and a return of the million plus diaspora forced from the land and currently living in appalling conditions in neighbouring countries.

This did not please the dominant military power or its sponsor and, with the collusion of other regional powers, it declared the democratically elected government illegitimate, froze aid, froze foreign exchange payments and generally did everything in its power to make the bantustans ungovernable. It also stepped up military incursions into the areas the new goverment controlled - acts of total provocation - and kidnapped numerous ministers and parliamentarians. When armed groups linked to the government retaliated against this naked militarism, the response was invariably swift and disproportionate.

At the same time, the superpower, its proxy and its allies began to heavily arm and train the armed factions of the losing party while at the same time blockading supplies to the government. It hoped, clearly, to provoke a military confrontation which would at the same time weaken any claim for restitution of land, make the populace seem ungovernable in the eyes of the world and paint the governing party as fanatical lunatics unable to negotiate or shift from their 'aggressive' stance.

Sure enough, the confrontation took place but, rather like the elections, the less-well armed government forces scored a crushing victory against the superpower backed faction.

All I'd like to know is, under the circumstances, what other option do Hamas have, and what other option they ever had. Denied their rightful political power they have taken to the gun in order to defend their very existence and that of the people they believe they represent.

What other democratically elected regime anywhere else in the world would not do the same?

 

[moono]

Loud and sustained applause for bendeus.

There were two assassination attempts on Haniyeh earlier in the week. Tch, tch.

I'll copy that bendeus, if I may, and drop it on some glazed-eyed Americans.

 

[bendeus]

Why thank you, Moono.

*blushes*

 

[moono]

Well, it's self -praise too, in a sense, as you described my view of it almost exactly.

Can you believe some of the crap in the British and American media ?? They must be on the take, there is NO WAY that that many outlets could get it so wrong.

 

[bendeus]

Well, it's self -praise too, in a sense, as you described my view of it almost exactly.

Can you believe some of the crap in the British and American media ?? They must be on the take, there is NO WAY that that many outlets could get it so wrong.

Sadly I can believe some of the crap in the US/UK media, but only because it's exactly the same as the crap it has been spouting for most, if not all, of my adult lifetime. Same agenda, same bullshit.

The Observer had a fairly decent article today, mind. At least they're under no illusions about Fatah.

 

[moono]

Yes, I read it. I was bitterly disappointed with 'The Observer' cartoon though. It's generally on the button. Depicting Hamas as selfish killers is reprehensible. I should write and complain but I'm too busy.