Spion: "Spion has been mugged by blacksa or Asians.": You are twisting the meaning and I am pretty sure you are aware of it. The question I posed was related to your defennse oof rioting people who were rioting against people looking just like you. AGAIN: HAVE you been in a group of, say , blacks for example, who were rioting and saying "KILL WHITEY!!!!"
See, it is easy to posit while you sit in the comfort of your home, in front of that computer screen, what is right and what is wrong. The real world presents other challenges entirely.
You feel that rioting blacks, trying to kill whites is fine...or rather completely justified and you yourself are a whiteman.
Fact is, you would more than likely be killed. You believe in their right to express themselves with random violence to the point where your own life is lost? Please answer.
What about the lives of your loved ones. Have kids? If so, what of them? Willing to let them die?
Talk about "Collective Punishment!" How very ironic Spion!
Israel does not "Bomb Arab neighbourhoods" because Israelis have been hurt by Arab violence, but rather for two distinctly different reasons: I) To neutralise known launch sites, caches, or manufacturing facilities...and II) To neutralise specifc figures who have the blood of many innocent Israelis already on their hands and are in the process of planning more such killings.
" 'Palestinians' will never stop attacking Israelis until the injustices done to them are addressed.": I could just say the very, very basic common-sensical "2 wrongs do NOT make a right," but instead will ask you, what does the actions of Israel have to do with World Jewry?
Why in the past have Arab terrorists attacked and killed non-Israeli Jews (even those who are anti-Zionist) because of Israel, and in fact why do some continue to aim to do so?
"Selective quoting.":Listen Spion, regardless if you did include "and Zionist Settlement," and I did not include it when I paraphrased your posst, it is of no consequence in any context.
Fact is, the Jewish presence in Gaza City dates from 1000 BCE/BC, the preence in my family hometown, Hebron, dates significantly earlier and long before the first Arab existed.
That they revolted against Britain AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY BEGAN THEIR 16 YEAR SPATE OF TERRORISM AGAINST JEWS is of no consequience.
Factually speaking, they were two diffewrent things. The figyht against Britain was not organised per se, it was not mapped out as was the planned terror against Jews, did not last for long periods of time, and there were often periods of Arab-British cooperation. One CANNOT say this of Arabs with relation to Jews.
Hence, when I PARAPHRASED you I quoted only the relavent parts. I am not concerned with the Arab-British dynamic of the era , in any context for the sake of the afore mentioned discussion.
"Sure, those attacks against Jewish non-combatants was wrong...": WHAT? W-H-A-T??? Earlier you expressly defend the right of "Palestinians," specifically HAMAS (which admittedly did not exist in that particular era), to use violent terrorism against Jewish and other Israelis in order to achieve political goals.
So which is it Spion? Are Arab terrorists freedom fighters (as you also said), or are they "wrong?" Please answer.
"European Zionist 'Settlers' were allowed to colonise the land.":Number one, many Jews, and Zionists to boot, were Mizrachi (Middle Eastern in origin, like my father's family), and many were Sephardic (as were elements of my fathers family, while originating in Mid-Evil Spain they had been in the Orient for half a millenia at least).
Why do you (and some others) assume that all Zionists of the era were born in Europe?
Even if they were ALL born in Europe their roots lay in the Middle East, and specifically on that very land! I am reminded by one of the rarerst forms of congential deafness on record. It affects just two families on Earth: One familiy is "Palestinian," the second is an Ashkenaz family (Jews with a long presence in Central Europe, centered around Germany).
Ergo the "Palestinian" family was Jewish at one time, and this Ashkenz family ewas originally from the country alternatively known as Israel or "Palestine."
The case proves twop issues at once actually but the point I am after here, for the moment, is that you point fingers at ligh skinned Jews and yell "Coloniser" and yet those same Jews could be born in Sa'a'ana, Tripoli, Damascus, or Moscow. It makes no difference.
You and I have had this talk so often that I find it boring to even reiterate. Genetic Science (for those always questioning why I intorduce gentics into subjects such as these, witness the lible of "coloniser") has proven, well over a decade ago and many times since, that we Jews no matter nation of birth are as Middle Eastern as any group of Arabs.
We, in our patrilineal lines posses a particular mutation (this is but one of , at last count, 38 points of proof - and this does not even include the list of specific genetic diseases that prove our separateness from host populations, with more than 4,200 such diseases and disorders) that dates our leaving the Middle East to the traditional dates told by our forefathers...the time of the Roman inspired Exile. It shows us to be distinctly Middle-Eastern.
The most you can ACCUSE a European born Jew of, is being late in returning but then that European born Jew had plenty of physical, historical, and emotional obstancles to overcome before these Jews could begin to return home.
The fact that even after returning those Euroepan born Jews saw fit to let THEIR ancestral homeland (The "WB" after all is almost entirely comprised of the lands known in English as "Judea and Samaria") be divvied up by foreign COLONISERS LIKE THE BRITISH (actually THE ENGLISH since at that time they occupied, and mostly still do Irealnd, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Channel Islands, Las Malvinas, much of the Carribean, some of South America,Hong Kong, and other places in the Middle East).
The English saw fit to give the Arabs, the REAL COLONISERS since Arabs are native only to al Hejaz, a tiny area in modern Arabia, 70 odd percent of the entire British Mandate south of Iraq, and more than 60 percent of the total amount of arabale land within that same referenced territory.
Within the lands so politely offered by the English., existed the Jews' holiest sites: The Temple Mount most specifically and the retaining wall below, the so called "Western Wall" (also known as "Wailing Wall "and "HaKotel" in Hebrew).
Yet, amazingly, incredibly, astoundingly the Jews accepted this!!! Who else among nations or national entities would accept such a thing? Only the Jews, only the Jews and what did the Jews get for this magnaminous gensture? This great and terrible compromise? Refusal by the Arabs and an armed response aimed at women and children for 16 years during which time Jews did not do one iota in response.
I think Spion that you really, really need to think about your mindframe.
