Rose: Actually, it was never revealed to the public at large , outside of the Arabic Speaking World. This is exactly my point. They play alot of games although it is not 100% on purpose since alot of it is directly related to their ineptness and pervasive corruption.
Look at the case of the "Karine A.": You might know of it. What is generally not known is the proof of the connection to the PA. I cannot get specific because I have no idea what has been previously reported and cannot make myself vulnerable in that regard, obviously.
The point however, is that you will probably find in looking into it, that the Captain of this former ferry was a PA employee very high up in the foodchain. He had been a high ranking member of the "PA Navy," so much as one existed. 12 days before the ship set sail, from Yemen (its 4th Port of Call) he was a confirmed employee. When the ship is intercepted though he is no longer an employee.
The same dynamic holds true for almost all Ministers and lower employees. Hirsh was a PA Minister until 3 years ago (give or take 2 months in either direction) but is still sometimes referred to as such in the Arabic Media.
This relates directly to the second point: The number of PA Ministers.
Your belief that when HAMAS won the election within the Legislature (that is all they won and all they needed to win) there was no such portfolio as Minister of State Security is incorrect. The portfolio existed, but remanined unfilled due to conflict between the 2 main umbrellas: Fatah and HAMAS.
I have already fully explained to you how the govt. is formed. Only the President and the Legislature are voted in. ALL OTHER POSITIONS serve at the whim of the elected President, albeit with legislative ratification.
Ergo, presidents are compelled to fill portfolios via Patronage.
The minister of Security is a key portfolio. He who controls the guns controls the state. This is true all over the world. The PA has no real checks and balances although its architects did admirably attempt to safeguard things.
This is what led to the Dahlan Crisis and the Coup that followed days later. This is why the PRC was chosen as the core of the new Security Apparattus in Gaza, AKA the HAMAS State Security force.
"Security was the responsibility of the Interior Minister.": OK Rose. Then why bother creating the new Security Apparattus? They already had a well armed and (as far as "Palestinians" go) well trained force at their beck and call. Why create an entirely new force more in line with the PA Basic Law?
Your supposition makes no sense unless one is not that acquainted with the actual dynamic. Given my previous and careful explanations that would make no sense here. You are now well informed, I assume you check what I tell you. I would never assume that you take anything I say on face value, nor would I wish anyone to just unconditionally believe me. I tell the truth and much of what I post is completely verifiable, albeit with a modicum of effort at times.
Sooo...You are knowledgeable and know that HAMAS created a brand new Security Apparattus after the Coup in Gaza. You know that this new force is under the leader of the PRC. You also surely know that the Qassam Brigades, the military arm of HAMAS, is much stronger and comparatively well trained.
If so, why go about the time and expense of creating this new force? Why waste incredibly valuable resources towards this new force? Since the Interior Ministry, in Gaza, supposedly controls the guns, why create the new force at all? Aside from my knowing factually that your assumption is incorrect, it does not stand up to scrutiny. It makes no sense whatsoever.
During the current Blockade when equipment and manpower are being taxed the most , HAMAS ignores the fact that they have a very capable military arm and risks much by creating their New Security Force. AGAIN: It is oh so simple when you realise the tightrope walked everyday by Fatah and HAMAS (not to be confused with Fatah al Islam centered in Lebanon but also a 'Palestinian' terrorist organisation).
"HAMAS did not take over Gaza.": They did not? Please pay attention to the following: Only the PA may control anything in either Gaza OR the so called 'WB'.": This is per International Agreements, LOCAL LAW, and International Law while not being clear cut on the issue is clearly able to be interpreted in the same vein.
HAMAS only won a majority (not a huge one either) in the Legislature. this did not guarantee anything other than a certain number of Legislative seats. Naturally an administration must pay heed to this victory and appoint members of govt. accordingly because the alternative is to have a rubber stamp rejection to anything the President puts to the Legislature. However that is far from making such appointments a mandatory issue.
HAMAS did not control Security. Dahlan, the old hat from Fatah unofficialy did. Dahlan is a native of Gaza. He is not bougie. He was born and raised in a Gazan Camp and thus enjoys a phenomenol amount of adulation in Gaza. Even a certain number of HAMAS members are loyal to him above and beyond their obvious loyalty to HAMAS as a whole.
HAMAS felt that they had proved their popularity by the Legislative win. They felt that should they ever hope to move ahead to bigger and better things they ought to do so right away. They had enough money, weaponry, and men. They felt they could achieve a decisive victory against Fatah and Fatah allied groups like al Akhsa Martyr's Brigade. They felt incorrectly, obviously.
Aside from HAMAS pis%ing all over the PA Basic Law, they broke International Law (while the creation of their PRC led Froce is merely interpretable, their Coup is much more codified as a violation contravening International Law). The electoral process within the so called "WB" and Gaza was very well defined in those places and HAMAS did not have, not does it now have a leg to stand on.
"HAMAS was already Constitutionally in control of Gaza.": First, there is no Constitution. Like Israel they have what is known as a "Basic Law." These serve as building blocks with which to compose a Constitution. While we are VERY close to having the more defined document the "Palestinians" have not even really begun this process.
Secondly, even under the Basic Law HAMAS was NOT in control of a single thing...EXCEPT a moderate majority within the Legislature.
"Fatah refused to hand over control of HAMAS after the election.": Rose, no offence, but what are you talking about? The President was not up for election. Every single position apart from the Presidency, INCLUDING the Prime Minister's seat is DIRECTLY controlled by the President! HAMAS controlled nothing outside of the Legislature.
"Rachamim has been unable to dispute Rose and Rose has provided many links and evidence.": No offence Rose but you certainly have not. You first claimed that there was no such position as the "Minister for State Security." I showed you that it indeed existed and has for many years despite it currently folded into the Security Council.
You claimed that there is a set number of Ministerships and did not even know there was a "Minister of Jewish Affairs."
As for spending weeks, I do not even think this thread is older than 10 or 12 days. I could look now but I am pretty sure on that account. Even it was older, so what? Accuracy is much more important.
I admire your tenacity and your belief in your positions and in yourself. However, you have made a mistake that even locals make and it is nothing to regret, etc. I do not know if that is your take on it but cannot seem to imagine any other dynamic being involved since you have clearly been incorrect and are instead trying to turn it around.
I only know this infromation better than most because of my responsibilities in the military. Obviously I had to work closely and pretty much on a daily basis with members of the department I told you about.
Then, and you made me laugh, you say that if I do not include links in this particular post I am composing, it will mean "Default." Rose, I do not look at this as a contest. This concerns the lives of my own children and those of my brothers and sisters. This is my life.
Furthermore, aside form one or two links I have provided, which proved you were totally wrong about your basic assumption about the portfolio I told you about, there has been no reason to link to other things. What would you need a link for? You have not asked for one so why would you imagine my failure to include one would somehow make me remiss?
This is basically what is happening:
YOU maintained that the Interior Ministry of the PA is responsible for Security matters.
YOU maintained that there is no such thing as the "Ministry of State Security."
YOU maintained and continue to maintain that HAMAS did not undertake a Coup because it was rightfully in charge of govt. there.
YOU maintained that Fatah refused to hand over power, as it was supposed to do, to HAMAS.
YOU believe that the PA has a Constitution.
What do you see so far that makes you correct? I am interested to know.
