Discussion in 'Brixton' started by Fingers, Nov 29, 2015.
There's a link on the fb link I posted up there ^^^ or I directly linked to it a page or so ago.
Objections that aren't for material planning reasons are pointless. They will be filtered out by the case officer before any decision is made.
I can't think of any reasons for objection that would actually sway the case, but would love to be proved wrong.
Indeed. I asked the same thing before.
link is here: 16/AP/0168 | Full planning and Listed Building Consent for a Mixed Class A4 and C1 use; internal and external alterations and repair work to include new kitchen, plant and AC compound on the rear single storey flat roof, the provision of an external bar, mezzanine and outdoor seating, works to the rear garage; and a two storey rear extension. | HALF MOON PH, 10 HALF MOON LANE, LONDON, SE24 9HU
I'm not so fussed about Just William as such - but if they have walked away from HH what sort of business will come next - what sort of business can afford the new rents?
There's a lot of us around here who used to drink in there regularly.
Yes. Even that aside the idea that a few (or even a lot) more drinkers in a pub would make the different between a pub staying open or closing completely misses the reason why so many pubs have shut. It's not because they can't cover their running costs, it's because they can't bring in the same money as the alternatives - if the Canterbury was packed out every night it still wouldn't have brought in the sort of money that can be made from building a big block of flats in central Brixton these days.
Exactly. The Canterbury was very much a viable business, but couldn't compete with the massive one off profit to be made by selling the land for flats. Unless buildings are protected by long leases or perhaps by being listed, any business in London is vulnerable right now
The Half Moon is a large public house. It would need to atrack a lot of people especially at the weekend to continue as a live music venue. Take the Hoot, it has become a destination music venue for many with live music happening most evenings drawing large crowds at the weekend. Not sure that model would be tolerated in Herne Hill.
But more who didn't.....
I don't think they're really comparable. The Hoot has a much later licence for starters, with a large 'mini festival' type outdoor area and is focused on bass heavy music that needs a mighty hefty soundsystem. Why not compare it to venues like the Ivyhouse, Railway, Windmill etc?
The music area is huge at the Hoot - at the Moon it's just a small back room. The music room would never be the main driver of business for the Moon (and I don't think anyone is suggesting it should be) like it is at the Hoot (and the Windmill tbf). I think the Ivy House is a good comparison - it has music as part of its overall aim to serve the community while covering its costs.
Yep, I think the Railway is a good comparison too. Their live music/DJ nights supplements their drink/food income and drives new people to the pub - and provides press they otherwise wouldn't get. It doesn't have to be banging nightclub type of place - just somewhere where bands can be accommodated a few nights of the week.
And just in context - the Railway takeover of The Milkwood being based on restaurant food and supposed higher end customer service to attract a market they thought was in the area hasn't exactly been a success.
I know this sounds a bit curmudgeony, but I'd much prefer if the pub reopened with no provision for music. I used to often drink in the Half Moon specifically to enjoy a bit of peace and quiet. Too many London pubs are desperate to assault your senses with DJs and too-bad-to-be-true bands (this is not a dig at Offline, which I've thoroughly enjoyed many times).
Surely there's ample pubs in the area already providing the quiet you seek? If it opens without music, it's going to be a soulless, identikit gastropub with as much character and personality as a sleeping Cameron.
I thought the Milkwood was doing well? Different thing altogether to the Half Moon though as it was never a pub.
I live in Herne Hill and haven't had a single pint locally since the Half Moon closed. I'll be over the moon if it reopens, with or without a music provision, although I'd much prefer the latter.
Have you tried The Bullfinch in the arches?
No lager but plenty beards. I'd rather die.
Not so beardy as I recall. But might not be for you
I don't think whether or not they have bands on in the back room has much to do with whether they play music in the main pub tbh.
I suppose if they got Slayer in it would be quite annoying...
If it's not the live music, it's the quiz nights or the Sky Sports!
Really? It hasn't been a success? It always seems to be busy in there.
^^ it's got a tiny front bar which often gives the impression of being full. Last Friday the Commercial was heaving; the Milkwood had about 13 people in.
Anyway, letter from John Major of Dulwich Estate to the Herne Hill Society:
With more info here: Half Moon Lane - a Letter from the Dulwich Estate
Which from my skim, doesn't match the version of events from the Just William owner.
The fact that they don't name any of the "64 pub operators" they supposedly contacted about the Half Moon doesn't inspire confidence either. If they were having trouble finding someone willing to take it on as a live venue, why didn't they let that fact be known?
It's pretty clear they haven't tried isn't it. And to be entirely fair to them they're not claiming to have done there - their contention is that 7 companies expressed an interest in running the pub and none of them expressed an interest in running it as a music venue. I don't actually see any particular reason to think that isn't true, but it's not the same as saying nobody was prepared to run a music venue, just that they didn't actively propose to.
So a cold but fun day on Saturday
[photo from https://twitter.com/gavinnivag]
And the Half Moon Lane parade had more flooding on Friday:
Half Moon Lane traders flooded out again
There was a good crowd considering it was freezing (it began to sleet briefly while I was there). I was amused to watch small children running around to 'stairway to heaven' being played, really well, by some boys who looked about 10 yrs old. Saw Jay Rayner and Jo Brand there showing their support.
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