Gun makers soon to be safe from lawsuits.

[pbman]

except that, despite the efforts of various industry shills to discredit it, that was a case of an industry serving coffee at a ridiculous temperature that could cause second degree burns within two seconds because it suited their logistics, not warning anybody of it, and having been previously censured by courts on the exact same issue

Thats cause lots of people like snapping hot coffee.

I don't like it that rediculessly hot myself, but many people do.

 

[spring-peeper]

except that, despite the efforts of various industry shills to discredit it, that was a case of an industry serving coffee at a ridiculous temperature that could cause second degree burns within two seconds because it suited their logistics, not warning anybody of it, and having been previously censured by courts on the exact same issue

Welcome to my coffee shop. Would you like a cup of freshly brewed coffee? You would? Excellent. Let me put it in the freezer to cool down first, though. If I gave you coffee right out of the urn, I would be totally irresponsible. You may not realize it, but it is made with really hot water. I must protect you.

 

[pbman]

On a related front the state of alaska, is rolling back their laws even more.

http://broadband.zoomtown.com/news/read.php?id=13553197&ps=1011&cat=&cps=0&lang=en

New Anti-Gun Control Law Set for Alaska
Monday, October 17, 2005 4:08 AM EDT
The Associated Press
By MATT VOLZ

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — Starting Wednesday, handgun owners won't need permits to carry concealed weapons in the seven Alaska cities where they're still required. There also will be no more restrictions on keeping a firearm in a vehicle.

A new state anti-gun control law that goes into effect will essentially bar municipalities from passing gun laws that are more restrictive than state law.

The National Rifle Association, which helped Republican state Rep. Mike Chenault write the legislation, says except for the concealed weapon permit requirements, most Alaska city and state gun laws are the same.

What the NRA wants to do is prevent cities from passing more restrictive laws in the future. It calls it state pre-emption, and Alaska will be the 44th state to have such a law on its books.

"We are looking to make it uniform to all 50 states," said NRA spokeswoman Kelly Hobbs. "Without it, it creates an unfair, inconsistent and confusing patchwork of local firearm ordinances."

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No they are not.

Their is no money in it, so the trial lawers are not invloved.

The city governments are suing, and the feds at the time put them up to it.

These are municipale lawsuits,not private individuals.

rl]

Why is there no money in it?

If the municipalities can win the initial lawsuits, then the assignment of responsibility to gunmakers for the actions of gun users, would pave the way for hundreds of wrongful death lawsuits, which would be full of money.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Sorry to butt in, but my babelfish choked earlier on Rentonite's use of 'crawfish', and I'd love to hear a translation if possible.

A type of freshwater lobster, also called crayfish.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Welcome to my coffee shop. Would you like a cup of freshly brewed coffee? You would? Excellent. Let me put it in the freezer to cool down first, though. If I gave you coffee right out of the urn, I would be totally irresponsible. You may not realize it, but it is made with really hot water. I must protect you.

What the jury didn't realize initially was the severity of her burns. Told during the trial of Mrs. Liebeck's seven days in the hospital and her skin grafts, and shown gruesome photographs, jurors began taking the matter more seriously. "It made me come home and tell my wife and daughters don't drink coffee in the car, at least not hot," says juror Jack Elliott.

Even more eye-opening was the revelation that McDonald's had seen such injuries many times before. Company documents showed that in the past decade McDonald's had received at least 700 reports of coffee burns ranging from mild to third degree, and had settled claims arising from scalding injuries for more than $500,000.

http://www.vanosteen.com/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit.htm

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Welcome to my coffee shop. Would you like a cup of freshly brewed coffee? You would? Excellent. Let me put it in the freezer to cool down first, though. If I gave you coffee right out of the urn, I would be totally irresponsible. You may not realize it, but it is made with really hot water. I must protect you.

Welcome to my coffee shop. I've specially superheated this coffee to a point just below boiling which you are unable to drink it at, and if you spill it on yourself, instead of going "ooh ouch how clumsy I am" as you'd expect if you spilt hot coffee on yourself, it will burn through your skin in a few seconds and you will need to go to hospital.

Actually, come to think of it, despite the fact that many other people have been burnt and I've already been criticised by judges for this, I'm not going to bother doing anything about it or even telling you this.

edit: I see JC2 put a link in there while I was typing...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The bottom line is, granting one sector of the manufacturing community, immunity from civil action, smacks of favouritism, and is an erosion of the civil law system.

 

[spring-peeper]

http://www.vanosteen.com/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit.htm

I was unaware that they "super-heated" their coffee. I don't drink coffee from McD's mainly because it tastes watered downed and is usually lukewarm at best. I'm a Timmy's girl

The point I was trying to make was that it is not the manufacturers/suppliers fault if a product is mis-handled. Coffee should not be drank while driving, it is a distraction. Opening a cup of coffee to add the cream and sugar, should not be done by trying to hold it between your legs while in the drivers seat.

I got a paper cut while working at a bank. It got infected. Who should I sue - the paper company for making paper with sharp edges, the bank where I worked for unsafe working conditions, the mint for making the money, or the general population for putting germs on the money?

Or should I take responsibility for my own actions (not caring for the cut by putting a band-aid on it and now I need medical intervension)?

Maybe more people should start taking responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming others for their own stupidity.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The coffee was not drunk while driving.

Your analogy does not work. Perhaps if you were deliberately given razor-sharp, infected paper and not told of this risk, it might. But everyone knows about paper cuts and everyone knows that cuts can get infected. What everyone *doesn't* know is that spilling coffee on yourself, rather than just being inconvenient and slightly painful for a bit, might actually mean you have to have skin grafts.

 

[spring-peeper]

The coffee did not burn her while she was driving.

Stella Liebeck had bought a 49-cent cup of coffee at the drive-in window of an Albuquerque McDonald's, and while removing the lid to add cream and sugar had spilled it, causing third-degree burns of the groin, inner thighs and buttocks.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

(See also additional stuff in edit.)

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I was unaware that they "super-heated" their coffee. I don't drink coffee from McD's mainly because it tastes watered downed and is usually lukewarm at best. I'm a Timmy's girl

The point I was trying to make was that it is not the manufacturers/suppliers fault if a product is mis-handled. Coffee should not be drank while driving, it is a distraction. Opening a cup of coffee to add the cream and sugar, should not be done by trying to hold it between your legs while in the drivers seat.

I got a paper cut while working at a bank. It got infected. Who should I sue - the paper company for making paper with sharp edges, the bank where I worked for unsafe working conditions, the mint for making the money, or the general population for putting germs on the money?

Or should I take responsibility for my own actions (not caring for the cut by putting a band-aid on it and now I need medical intervension)?

Maybe more people should start taking responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming others for their own stupidity.

McDonalds will hand you a cup of coffee out of a drive-thru window at their restaurant. They must be assuming that you will do some driving with their coffee, even if it is just off the lot.

If you look at that article, you'll see that the law firm went to a host of other coffee shops and restaurant chains, and measured their coffee. On average, McD coffee was twenty degrees hotter than the others.

People shouldn't eat and drive, but they do, and the chains encourage it by having drive through windows. So if their products cause injury to drivers, they might have to bear part of the blame.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Pbman, here's a good analogy for you to use:

Cel phones are a legal product. If people misuse them by driving and talking on them, accidents can be the results. The accidents can be directly linked to the cel phone usage.

Should cel phone companies be sued because people misuse their product?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Pbman, here's a good analogy for you to use:

Cel phones are a legal product. If people misuse them by driving and talking on them, accidents can be the results. The accidents can be directly linked to the cel phone usage.

Should cel phone companies be sued because people misuse their product?

 

[spring-peeper]

The coffee was not drunk while driving.

Your analogy does not work. Perhaps if you were deliberately given razor-sharp, infected paper and not told of this risk, it might. But everyone knows about paper cuts and everyone knows that cuts can get infected. What everyone *doesn't* know is that spilling coffee on yourself, rather than just being inconvenient and slightly painful for a bit, might actually mean you have to have skin grafts.

I'm not the type of person who would deliberately cut myself to get an infection. I was 17 years old, it was my first job and I didn't know that the money was that dirty.

I did know that pouring boiling hot coffee in between my legs would cause burns.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You didn't know that McDonalds superheated their coffee, according to your post above - I don't see how you could have known that it would cause that sort of burn. I certainly didn't until I looked it up. I thought that at the most your skin would go red and be a bit tender and it would hurt like a bastard for a little while.

 

[spring-peeper]

Pbman, here's a good analogy for you to use:

Cel phones are a legal product. If people misuse them by driving and talking on them, accidents can be the results. The accidents can be directly linked to the cel phone usage.

Should cel phone companies be sued because people misuse their product?

I also read that smoking a cigarette, eating and drinking, and having a screaming child in the back seat can cause problems.

hmmm.who to sue, who to sue!!!

It’s one thing to protect someone’s rights, it’s quite another to make a complete mockery of America’s legal system. Unscrupulous lawyers have meticulously manipulated a litigation crazed mentality among our citizenry and America is certainly not the better for it.

We now look to sue first and ask questions later. Personal responsibility, once the cornerstone building block of our great nation, is gradually being eroded and replaced by a sue unto others before they sue unto you mindset.

source

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'm not the type of person who would deliberately cut myself to get an infection. I was 17 years old, it was my first job and I didn't know that the money was that dirty.

I did know that pouring boiling hot coffee in between my legs would cause burns.

At seventeen, you didn't know that money was dirty?

Who would have expected that a cup of coffee would be served just below the boiling point?

 

[spring-peeper]

You didn't know that McDonalds superheated their coffee, according to your post above - I don't see how you could have known that it would cause that sort of burn. I certainly didn't until I looked it up. I thought that at the most your skin would go red and be a bit tender and it would hurt like a bastard for a little while.

erm - previous experience

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I also read that smoking a cigarette, eating and drinking, and having a screaming child in the back seat can cause problems.

hmmm.who to sue, who to sue!!!



source

I think cigarettes are a little different. They sell an addictive substance that will probably kill you, and they start trying to market it to you when you're a little kid.

 

[spring-peeper]

At seventeen, you didn't know that money was dirty?

Who would have expected that a cup of coffee would be served just below the boiling point?

the money thing - no, I didn't. I was a total surprise, everyone else seemed to know that, though. Anyway, after day-surgery and three days off of work did teach me this.

As for coffee - yes, I expect that coffee is served at or just below boiling point.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It’s one thing to protect someone’s rights, it’s quite another to make a complete mockery of America’s legal system. Unscrupulous lawyers have meticulously manipulated a litigation crazed mentality among our citizenry and America is certainly not the better for it.

We now look to sue first and ask questions later. Personal responsibility, once the cornerstone building block of our great nation, is gradually being eroded and replaced by a sue unto others before they sue unto you mindset.

............................................................

I think there's truth in that, but it's also true that we live in a profit-crazed society where lots of companies are more than willing to cut corners in order to increase the ink on the bottom line, and since we often can't count on govt to protect us through regulations, etc, we sometimes have to take matters into our own hands via lawsuits.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

the money thing - no, I didn't. I was a total surprise, everyone else seemed to know that, though. Anyway, after day-surgery and three days off of work did teach me this.

As for coffee - yes, I expect that coffee is served at or just below boiling point.

I think I was three when I tried to put a coin in my mouth, and my mother said: "Don't do that: money is dirty! You don't know where it's been!"

 

[spring-peeper]

I think cigarettes are a little different. They sell an addictive substance that will probably kill you, and they start trying to market it to you when you're a little kid.

The point was that smoking while driving is a distraction.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The point was that smoking while driving is a distraction.

Studies have proven that cel phone use while driving, increases the number of accidents.

 

[spring-peeper]

I think I was three when I tried to put a coin in my mouth, and my mother said: "Don't do that: money is dirty! You don't know where it's been!"

and of course she continued to explain to you that should you have a paper cut, you should not be handling money because you will get an infection, right?

what a good mother you had.

 

[spring-peeper]

Studies have proven that cel phone use while driving, increases the number of accidents.

and how many lawsuits have been filed against the cel phone manufacturers or retailers?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

and of course she continued to explain to you that should you have a paper cut, you should not be handling money because you will get an infection, right?

what a good mother you had.

She was a good mother.

I think she would have told me to wash my hands thoroughly if I got a paper cut from money.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

and how many lawsuits have been filed against the cel phone manufacturers or retailers?

I don't know. That's why I offered it as an analogy for pbman, because I think such a lawsuit would be silly.