Guardian infiltrates BNP
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cemertyone
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eoin_k said:
Well its happening in Isreal with the ethnic cleansing and there doe`s not seem to be much problem with that there...and you got to see that the possibilites here either are either let them go mainstream ( where they can be challenged and made to look the fools they are based on the policies they advocate) or drive them underground where the consequences will be much worse.....which is better i wonder..
And not matter what you or i think of them there polices ARE GAING GROUND....
ResistanceMP3 said:
I think that the BNP position on the rights of others is hypocritical. I don't think that they should campaign against Gay couples using National Trust property (presumably for civil partnership ceremonies?) and I note that the Civil Liberties group which they formed does little for anyone who is not a BNP member. Having said that, I don't think that Gay people should join reactionary campaigns to limit personal freedom (however tempting that might sometimes be). Pointing out contradictions is one thing but using them as a rationalisation for contradicting ones own principles another. Justice has to be Universal.
I think that the vast majority of people in this country have the good sense to value diversity of lifestyle and of opinion. It is sometimes a fragile balance but it is one which we have to strike.
The Black Hand
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Action against the BNP ballet dancer - it wasn't a good career move for her now was it
You reap what you sow though...
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=10481
You reap what you sow though...http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=10481
untethered
For industry & decency
I don't know about "career move". It was a private matter until the Guardian infilrated the BNP and outed her. The assertion in the article that "The BNP is exploiting Simone Clarke’s membership in order to promote and prettify their extreme right wing politics" is due entirely to the opportunity created by the Guardian.
(Disclaimer for the usual idiots: I don't support the BNP but I do support people's rights to political association.)
(Disclaimer for the usual idiots: I don't support the BNP but I do support people's rights to political association.)
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untethered said:
Funnily enough, i don't accept peoples right to spread fascism... Hope she gets the seeing to she deserves
http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0 said:
NO ROOM FOR RACISTS IN THE ARTS
Following the recent revelations concerning ballet dancer, Simone Clarke and her proud allegiance with the Nazi British National Party, LMHR and UAF are proposing that she should be removed from her position as principal dancer with the English National Ballet, which is publically funded.
We are calling upon those involved in the arts and whom agree with our proposal to sign the petition by replying to this bulletin with their details. We would greatly appreciate your support.
Love Music Hate Racism
Simone Clarke, a principal dancer with the English National Ballet has recently been exposed as a member of the Nazi British National Party.
Clarke confesses to agreeing with the fascist politics of the BNP which include the wanting of an "all white Britain", and although the father of her child and partner of 5 years is Cuban with a Chinese father, and immigrated to this country, she shows no remorse when saying that immigration in this country has "got really out of hand".
The BNP are a Nazi party, who now hide behind a disguise of suits and shiny shoes. However, they still promote politics of division and believe that the white 'race' is the most superior race, and fascist dictator Hitler is someone whom they admire. The national officer for the BNP, Kevin Hughes is currently in jail for carrying out an unprovoked racist attack, many other members of the party also have criminal backgrounds.
Love Music Hate Racism are calling on all those who have a passion for the Arts, to demand that the promotion of racist and fascist politics are incompatible with a leading arts institution, which is publically funded, and that Simone Clarke should be removed from her position as principal dancer with the ENB.
Unite Against Fascism have called a demonstration against Simone Clarke:
Friday 12th January / 12noon
London Coliseum / St Martin's Lane, London , WC2N 4ES
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Ahh, good to see that scratch the surface find an authoritarian types are all out here...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Attica. Always the same with revolutionaries...I agree with your right to say anything...that I agree with...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
TopCat said:
Read the thread and apologise - I retracted my comments to the RB when I realised I'd been caught up in a witch hunt...#28 on this thread...
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kyser_soze said:Attica. Always the same with revolutionaries...I agree with your right to say anything...that I agree with...
No, that's not the point. Say what the fuck you want but don't come crying when it goes wrong
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TopCat said:
Tbh many institutions are spreading equal opps policy into other businesses and orgs by stressing that they must abide by PC policy and their operatives must too. Therefore it is relatively easy to see why somebody funded on an equal opps ticket should not employ somebody who does not abide by such policy. Though shes a queer one with her cuban/chinese partner... It may stop other middle class people getting involved if it looks as if their lives could be made a misery be being outed though don't you think?
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Praxis
Funnily enough I think this is, at best, only a very limited part of the problem. Its an excuse that abdicates responsibility for political action too. If truth is told the left/opposition/@ in whatever shade you want to call it has been fucked for a long time. Actually I don't think the political left in this country has changed since the early 1990s, they were marginal in a lot of areas then.
So stop complaining, and start DOING
treelover said:
Funnily enough I think this is, at best, only a very limited part of the problem. Its an excuse that abdicates responsibility for political action too. If truth is told the left/opposition/@ in whatever shade you want to call it has been fucked for a long time. Actually I don't think the political left in this country has changed since the early 1990s, they were marginal in a lot of areas then.
So stop complaining, and start DOING
I hate to say it but Patrick Harrington has a point doesn't he?The outing of BNP supporters by newspapers, bans by employers etc does remind me of Mc Carthyism.It just makes potential martyers out of them and even worse people just say it is political correctness.
Attica said:Funnily enough I think this is, at best, only a very limited part of the problem. Its an excuse that abdicates responsibility for political action too. If truth is told the left/opposition/@ in whatever shade you want to call it has been fucked for a long time. Actually I don't think the political left in this country has changed since the early 1990s, they were marginal in a lot of areas then. So stop complaining, and start DOING
Of course there is no substitute for action however what treelover said dose not i feel nether is it Its an excuse that abdicates responsibility for political action it is an understanding of where we are at.
The political left in this country (as you call them) here i would include anarchism has not changed since the 1980,s it failed to communicate with the working class then leading to Thatcher.
The only act of organized resistance was the Poll Tax and even then it come down to blatant sectarian disagreements The Poll Tax Riot being one where Tommy Sheridan grassed up the anarchist because they was anarchist joined by the rest of the left here we watched the disintragation of a Mass Movement.
What if we had taken the leson from the Poll Tax into the wider everyday politics of The working Class? Of course there would not have been a revolution in my thoughts that's everyday but we would have not seen the surge of the authoritarian state as we have.
The authoritarian state needs The rise of The Far Right and the media are just as complicate in this as the state and of course The political left / anarchism aka The Middle Class because there as much as in crises as The Working Class this is where we come into the blame game of why The BNP have become what they are today the reply is simple and starring us in the face a lack of common unity amongst The political left / anarchism aka The Middle Class leaving the working class with no direction this only feeds The Far Right and the authoritarian state it can do nothing but.
Who are the BNP?
More Reading http://www.nothingness.org However the obsession with internet being the only reality is frightening! There of course is no substite for beeing on The Streets you can download more reading matter here take it to a park and be with the earth at the same time hug trees not people.
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e19896 said:
THe poll tax wasn't the only organised resistance, does the miners ring a bell? PLus, Thatcher came to power in 1979 so failure in the 1980s did not create her. The real problem was the switch from the Keynesian Welfare state to neo-liberalism that the left simply mistook for a series of 'downturns'. Also, Britain has its own political problems, not least of which is the precious nature of the vast majority of its political leadership (and here I include anarchists too) which leads to endless splits and disagreements.
The answer to this problem is actually mass class struggle
Attica said:THe poll tax wasn't the only organised resistance, does the miners ring a bell? PLus, Thatcher came to power in 1979 so failure in the 1980s did not create her. The real problem was the switch from the Keynesian Welfare state to neo-liberalism that the left simply mistook for a series of 'downturns'. Also, Britain has its own political problems, not least of which is the precious nature of the vast majority of its political leadership (and here I include anarchists too) which leads to endless splits and disagreements.
The answer to this problem is actually mass class struggle
Yes how dare if forget The grate strike 0f 84 was not thinking. Yes thatcher come to power 79 but the 1980's made her is what i should have said and of course the switch from the Keynesian Welfare state to neo-liberalism that the left simply mistook for a series of 'downturns'. and i agree with all you have said but watch out there is always a neo liberali about who say the far right have the right to free speach the only right they have is the right to a boot in there face.
dennisr
the acceptable face
e19896 said:
Once you get back off "the streets" maybe you can explain when and where Sheridan "grassed" this so-called "anarchist". Sounds like you spend less time "on the streets" (that is one of the cheeseyist lines i've heard in a while...) and an awful lot of time mis-reading other internet warriors who also did not know what was actually going on.
The mass movement that supposedly "disintegrated" actually won - the Poll Tax was defeated! (I should know - like many other Militants I spend years working virtually full-time in support of this movement). So if it "failed to communicate with the working class" (I imagine "not getting down on the streets" would be the correct use in your terms 'dude'...) at the time how did it manage to win??
Could you clarify these confused rantings for me mate? Given the re-writing of history - would this be a case of "blatant sectarianism" 15 years after the event or is it just a load of ignorant half-digested bollocks from an ignorant half-arsed 'anarchist' throwing stones in glass houses?
dennisr said:
I aint an anarchist but a Marxist and yes while we did defeat The Poll Tax i was grassed by Sheridan for my part in that riot for which i have grate pride in doing so.
Please do not de rail the subject in hand with your crass remarks you know little of what work i do and what that involves if you desire a debate on The Poll Tax start another post it was a point as to why The BNP has come to where they are and i should have some understanding following my 25 years of being active.
I have seen what has hapend over those years at close hand and have a deep understanding why we are where we are today back to topic.
UAF have called a protest against Simone Clarke outside the ballet tomorrow lunchtime from midday - see http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=61213 for more info
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Mr T said:
This is an easy win, which will make a change for the SWP who have never won anything.
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treelover said:
BUT she's in the BNP and anything goes against the class enemy
By all means necessary as Malcolm X said.
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