Grooverider arrested in Dubai!

[david dissadent]

You have a very suspicious and very uninformed attitude with acting as if every Arab exploits immigrants, let alone the fact that you clearly cultivated such a blind prejudice that you became even unable to read my posts as they should be read.

Again, rhetorical games aimed at not engaging the point. I would never dream of saying "every Arab" exploits. Your anti western racism reads that what I do not write.

Ive had to many Arab friends to ever use language that would emesh them in such behaviour. I was clearly talking about a general situation within the Gulf states that I have heard reported to me from Pakistani, Egyptian, Lebanese and many western friends.

Put all the words in my mouth you wish, clearly it makes your arguments more palitable to yourself. But others can read more clearly what I wrote.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

'DJ held in porn swoop'.

Love the word 'swoop', it's only used by tabloid journalists and birds of prey enthusiasts.

Second only to the use of the word "romp". Although I suppose Grooverider couldn't exactly "romp" on his own with his porno dvds could he?

 

[perplexis]

Do you know some details of the case we don't?

For all we know it could have been a tiny bud at the bottom of his bag he didn't even know about. I met someone refused entry to New Zealand for a few crumbs of weed in a cd wallet he'd used to skin up on months before.

No I don't know anything you don't know. The only source I can find is the Sunday Mirror. Maybe it's not even true
Maybe it was just the minutest amount, that would be even more awful. But, given that he was going to a place with massively strict drugs laws, it would have made sense to hoover the bag before leaving. I guess if you travel a lot it's easy to get lackadaisical about these things though.

The porn is pretty stupid, but hardly something to condemn the man over.

Hence not condemning him about it...

 

[muckypup]

You are seem incapable of being remotely apologetic about the treatment of third world nationals in Arab countries. Not the faintest whiff of being ashamed of it.

well spoken. my distaste towards the Arab world is related to their racism and their inability to recognize and speak against it.

However to clarify, from my experience arab racism has its roots in socio economic factors rather then just colour, and is of a different nature to the racism seen in the west. but still despicable. its roots appear to lie in their current inferiority complex, stemming from bieng a once great civilization now been left behind; so they need another people to look down upon and patronise.

perhaps its a classic case of the exploited exploiting ?

*Ashamed*?? Why would I cultivate "guilt" for something I have no personal involvement with and/or no direct influence or control over? You are joking, right?

as a Muslim its your responsibility to speak out and act against injustice. Off the muslim world its the Arabs who're guilty of such racism and as an Arab yourself you should be intent on improving the lot of your own people.

 

[muckypup]

just to clarify, ive spent time out there and have witnessed the racism first hand and talked to immigrant populations whilst there. And its not just restricted to the commercial sector.

I love the middle east. i love the people. But acknowledge your short comings and start doing something about it, instead of excuses.

 

[Aldebaran]

.../... I feel shame because I am bound by common humanity to both the victim and perperators.

So actually, it all comes down to this: You feel ashamed to be human(speaking of being pathetic...).

Only to be confirmed with this:

But being human the closer in culture and identity I am to those commiting acts the more I feel that I am part of that which sanctions the bombings of suburbs of Baghdad from the air and the abuses in sweatshops in far off Asia.

I am human enough not too need to cultivate guilt. It is innate in my bonds with my fellow humans.

Correction: You entertain a shared-by-default-because-of-being-human guiltyness (and even claim everyone should do the same simply for reason of being human) and which then you use as a reason to act as if you are not guilty. (As and expample of carefully constructed evasiveness, that can count.)

So go back into your ivory tower shut from your brothers and sisters and make your endless pronouncements on morality and law. You talk a good game but it is empty, even if clever, scholastic rhetoric. Aimed at reinfrocing your concieted and racist veiw of the west, that every single problem in the Arab world you discuss always ends up blaming the west or referring to the west to mitigate what is done.

See... the difference between us is that you live - and visibly happy - in your self constructed cage of "shared-by-default guilt-only-because-of-being-human" which you use to act as if that is enough to be not guilty, while I live in reality, see it for what it is, know my position in it, my possibilities to influence and/or change them and speak and/or act accordingly.

I'm half European, raised in and between both cultures world, continents and cultures. So in fact you are also claiming I am "racist" etc... towards my one half while "sparing" the other? How do you see that in practice. Me smashing mirrors every time I see my blue eyes, light skin and other such characteristics I inherited from my European mother? Thank you, but no thanks, things in my life are complex enough as they are.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

What do you think people do when there are "exploitative policies" here...? They organise themselves, lobby, and attempt to reform the laws. Not just through their hands up and say "What can I do, I can do nothing..."

Well yes. Who tells you that elswhare nobody does anything? (I told you already what I do.)

Can not you not do anything purely because its your home...?

Who said that Dubai is my home? Where do you get that?

Not asking for your name + address. Just the institution you teach at. Because otherwise I cry "Bullshit you do...!"

Haha. So you simply ask me to put a name on anything I publish(ed), write or otherwise make public? (You call whatever you want. It's not very impressive, but there you go.)
And by the way: who said I am emplyoed by any institution, academic or otherwise? First of all I value my independency too much, secondly I don't need to sell it.

salaam.

 

[tarannau]

I'm half European, raised in and between both cultures world, continents and cultures. So in fact you are also claiming I am "racist" etc... towards my one half while "sparing" the other? How do you see that in practice. Me smashing mirrors every time I see my blue eyes, light skin and other such characteristics I inherited from my European mother? Thank you, but no thanks, things in my life are complex enough as they are.

You don't half speak a load of arse, but that last sentence has to be the most lamentable pile of half-baked brain bibble that I've seen anyone come up with in some time. It's perfectly capable for an individual - however seemingly logical or fruitloop nutty they are - to be self hating and racist towards others, even those of the same background to themself.

Let's put it this was - I come from a Heinz 57 of a family, everything from Welsh, Amerindian, West Indian, Portguese and Chinese - and I can confirm that self-discriminating racism is still well and truly alive.

 

[Aldebaran]

However to clarify, from my experience arab racism has its roots in socio economic factors rather then just colour, and is of a different nature to the racism seen in the west.

It is. Itis more what I would call "inherited" attitude than anything else.

its roots appear to lie in their current inferiority complex, stemming from bieng a once great civilization now been left behind; so they need another people to look down upon and patronise.

Nothing to do with that at all and no, it is classic and globally practiced case of the "have's" exploiting and using the "have not's" . There is nothing new to that and it isn't something all that "exclusive" to the region or society subject of this thread (and if its particpants (want to) fail to see that it is just that what I -repeatedly- pointed out, why would that be my problem?).

as a Muslim its your responsibility to speak out and act against injustice. Off the muslim world its the Arabs who're guilty of such racism and as an Arab yourself you should be intent on improving the lot of your own people.

1. See former posts
2. It happens everywhere where money meets poverty
3. No thanks. I don't think in terms of "us and them" or "my own" and "all the rest". (I have enough worries with tribal affiliation and its inherent protectionism on a personal level. I don't want to go global on that).

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Let's put it this was - I come from a Heinz 57 of a family, everything from Welsh, Amerindian, West Indian, Portguese and Chinese - and I can confirm that self-discriminating racism is still well and truly alive.

The significant difference being that I am not you and you are not me.

salaam.

 

[tarannau]

Thank Christ for that Aldebarran

I'm not the one with defective logic and a fine line in wordy nonsense after all.

 

[Aldebaran]

Again, rhetorical games aimed at not engaging the point. I would never dream of saying "every Arab" exploits.

Then why doing it?

Your anti western racism reads that what I do not write.

?

I was clearly talking about a general situation within the Gulf states that I have heard reported to me from Pakistani, Egyptian, Lebanese and many western friends.

So? Again:Why would I cultivate some sort of personal "shame and guilt" to any form odf exploitation happening there? Do you assert I am to blame for it?

Put all the words in my mouth you wish, clearly it makes your arguments more palitable to yourself. But others can read more clearly what I wrote.

Well, as long as you can read it, you can be satisfied.
Doesn't mean it comes across as you would wish or think it does (happens to me all the time on forums like this. This thread being a prime example).

I'm now all exited waiting to be called more weird names.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Thank Christ for that Aldebarran

I'm not the one with defective logic and a fine line in wordy nonsense after all.

Clearly your perception is all it takes...

salaam.

 

[tarannau]

Don't worry Aldebarran, I'm sure it's not just me that shares that perception of you.

After all, with your fatuous addition of construction workers' rights and 'smashing mirrors' self-racist bibble to this dj-based thread you are really excelling yourself here.

Shazaamm <insert pontificating, pompous 'I"m a special case' twaddle before this>

 

[Aldebaran]

Don't worry Aldebarran, I'm sure it's not just me that shares that perception of you.

Why would it be worrying that people think what they like to think?

After all, with your fatuous addition of construction workers' rights and 'smashing mirrors' self-racist bibble to this dj-based thread you are really excelling yourself here.

?
Where do I start talking about the rights of construction workers?
Where do I start talking about "self-racism"?
Clearly you are somewhat confused in your follow up of postings on this thread (and truly, in that you are not a special case).

salaam.

 

[kyser_soze]

Why bother indulging the confused, passive aggressive god botherer in debate? It's like talking to fela, only less fun.

 

[muckypup]

Aldebaran you really should stop posting under the guise of being a Muslim. your doing the label a major disservice.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why bother indulging the confused, passive aggressive god botherer in debate? It's like talking to fela, only less fun.

Why bother to post trolling-agressive posts in the midst of a discussion?

salaam.

 

[kyser_soze]

You aren't having a discussion, you're meandering around and getting confused.

 

[Aldebaran]

Aldebaran you really should stop posting under the guise of being a Muslim. your doing the label a major disservice.

Now it becomes truly interesting.
Frist question: Are you a Muslim that you can assert that I am not? (first lesson:Islam is not a label.)

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

You aren't having a discussion, you're meandering around and getting confused.

Confused is what all the rest of the posters seem to be. The only thing they seem to be able to focus on is attacking me, lost in the mist of their prejudices

salaam.

 

[muckypup]

Now it becomes truly interesting.
Frist question: Are you a Muslim that you can assert that I am not? (first lesson:Islam is not a label.)

salaam.

im not suggesting you're not a muslim but i am suggesting that you have very little idea of what you're discussing and its not representative of your faith. And theology is one of my specialisms so yes I know my faiths pretty well.

 

[jæd]

Haha. So you simply ask me to put a name on anything I publish(ed), write or otherwise make public? (You call whatever you want. It's not very impressive, but there you go.)
And by the way: who said I am emplyoed by any institution, academic or otherwise? First of all I value my independency too much, secondly I don't need to sell it.

So you don't work for any actual institution...? I'm thinking you don't actually teach anyone, and that "scholar" is just a self-given title. I suppose you call yourself a scholar because you read your religious books. Hate to point this to you, but religious books are only useful to the religious...

 

[likesfish]

we should invade give the iraqi's the day off
we could bring diplomacy and unexploded cluster munitions the survivours will thank us

 

[muckypup]

... lost in the mist of their prejudices

salaam.

whilst you Aldebaran, are quite firmly lost up your self righteous pseudo religious arse.

 

[jæd]

Confused is what all the rest of the posters seem to be. The only thing they seem to be able to focus on is attacking me, lost in the mist of their prejudices

Give us straight answers and will credit you with intelligence. Until then you're just a pompous troll...!

 

[muckypup]

Aldebaran claiming to be a scholar with your, well intentioned, but ridiculous drivel is just plain sad. I understand your defensiveness given the current climate but please don't delude yourself about your capabilities.

And as someone who appreciates and is familiar with good islamic scholarship, and I've meant to say this to you a long time ago, you are sadly very misguided.

 

[Aldebaran]

im not suggesting you're not a muslim but i am suggesting that you have very little idea of what you're discussing and its not representative of your faith.

? What on earthy *you* talk about here I have not the faintest idea.

And theology is one of my specialisms so yes I know my faiths pretty well.

"your faiths"? What do you mean by this?
I studied and practice Islamic theology and did comparative study on Christianity (Catholic)/Islam, which included theological matters.
If you want to discuss theology, be my guest. Make a thread.

salaam.

 

[muckypup]

As a scholar I target and reach Muslims in and beyond the Arab world and those who ask for or seek guidance.

you're a joke Aldebaran. one that should not be taken seriously.

 

[david dissadent]

So actually, it all comes down to this: You feel ashamed to be human(speaking of being pathetic...).

I am proud of the fact that I am ashamed of what humans do.
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See... the difference between us is that you live - and visibly happy - in your self constructed cage of "shared-by-default guilt-only-because-of-being-human" which you use to act as if that is enough to be not guilty, while I live in reality, see it for what it is, know my position in it, my possibilities to influence and/or change them and speak and/or act accordingly.

Conceated nonesence. That argument makes no sence what so ever.

I'm half European, raised in and between both cultures world, continents and cultures. So in fact you are also claiming I am "racist" etc... towards my one half while "sparing" the other? How do you see that in practice. Me smashing mirrors every time I see my blue eyes, light skin and other such characteristics I inherited from my European mother? Thank you, but no thanks, things in my life are complex enough as they are.

salaam.

Youcome to conclusions about what I am saying that are wide of the what I have said based on your predjudices. No need for mothers and mirrors.

Edited for clarity.