Grindcore inspired by classical music?

[kyser_soze]

Grindcore is/should sound much rawer and more brutal (although not necessarily more aggressive) than Slayer: more distorted, probably more lo-fi and more than likely packed out with blast beats. Very different. Can't see a Metallica comparison at all.

I listened to the YouTube links posted here.

I listened to a couple of tracks from Puppets and the 'Garage Days Re-Revisited EP.

No real difference. Slapping in a bit of grungey distortion into the production does not a new genre of music make. Same riffs, same drums.

Which heavy metal journo came up with the name grindcore in the late 90s/00s then?

 

[Orang Utan]

IIRC (from when I used to know about these things) the earliest recognised grindcore was the really early Napalm Death stuff (before they turned into standard death metal). Definitely rougher sounding than stuff like Slayer.

coincidentally, i was reading about grindcore last night and siege and repulsion are believed to be the earliest grindcore bands, with repulsion being among the first to perfom the characteristic 'blast beat' grindcore drumming

 

[Refused as fuck]

Here you gans, those interested: actualy I ballsed it up. Will upload again later.

 

[fieryjack]

dunno what people have been posting. Grindcore usually makes me think of:




plus Napalm Death before they went all Morrisound.

Dont' expect you to listen to all that, but honestly, it sounds fuck all like Metallica.

 

[Refused as fuck]

Aye, Metallica have been shit as well tbf.

 

[kyser_soze]

dunno what people have been posting. Grindcore usually makes me think of:




plus Napalm Death before they went all Morrisound.

Dont' expect you to listen to all that, but honestly, it sounds fuck all like Metallica.

No, that all sounds like Slayer's song*

Seriously, it's good fun stuff for having a thrash about to, but to classify it as a wholly different sub-genre is, like it's main audience I would guess, so teenage boy...

*this is a private joke between me and an old mate about how Slayer, like Status Quo, have had essentially the same song throughout their careers.

** This thread has given me a smile tho, cos I'm sat hear listening to South Of Heaven for the first time in about 10 years

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

No, that all sounds like Slayer's song*

Seriously, it's good fun stuff for having a thrash about to, but to classify it as a wholly different sub-genre is, like it's main audience I would guess, so teenage boy...

Yep, I haven't done this debate since I was a teenager.


(I've been arguing about the difference between gabba and speedcore or similar nonsense instead.)

 

[fieryjack]

to classify it as a wholly different sub-genre is, like it's main audience I would guess, so teenage boy..

i made the mistake of looking at 'different' micro-genres on the wikipedia entry: goregrind, porngrind, mathcore, powerviolence, electrogrind, metalcore, screamo, noisegrind etc etc

 

[kyser_soze]

I think that once the BPMs reach a certain rate there's not really any point debating the finer points of difference anymore...

On to 'War Ensemble' now...

 

[Refused as fuck]

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[Herbsman.]

When I told my mate about math rock he was like "what's that?" then started making guitar noises and singing basic addition sums in a Lemmy-type voice.

He's from Walsall, so he can't really help it.

 

[Refused as fuck]

I was going to say, I thought what you were after from the OP is more Mathcore.

 

[damnhippie]

Is this what the youth call 'thrash metal' these days then?

Every single one of the tracks linked to on this thread sound like either:

1. Lightning-era Metallica
2. Sepultura
3. Any-era Slayer

Why the change in genre-name?

i dunno, grindcore as a whole has never struck as one of the silly sub-genres, it's a pretty broad spectrum... admittedly not that many people care, but still.

ironically, thrash metal these days is probably a smaller sub-genre.

most of the links posted on this thread i wouldn't really describe as 'grindcore', except Carcass maybe, and they are kind of the AC/DC of the genre. EDIT actually forget about that, just seen the Repulsion one

(also it has the '-core' suffix which doesn't do it any favours, obv.)

 

[Riklet]

Lol mathcore. That's like grindcore with even more aids. My friend used to play me the Dillinger Escape Plan. Fucking hell they are shite! I guess if you like Grind Core they might be up your street.

Ahhh memories of Napalm Death. What a load of shite

 

[Refused as fuck]

Hey, well done, you're a retard. Someone fetch a medal for Riklet!

 

[ouchmonkey]

I think that once the BPMs reach a certain rate there's not really any point debating the finer points of difference anymore...

On to 'War Ensemble' now...

to me it's not about the speed, it's the dynamics - in my head thrash is a lot of whistly high end noise and grindcore a LOT more bass and growly.
There was also a tendency to look slightly less ridiculous (I'm gonna regret that sentence aren't I?)

 

[kyser_soze]

There was also a tendency to look slightly less ridiculous (I'm gonna regret that sentence aren't I?)

Nah, those 'grindcore' vids show people wearing fairly normal fashions, no shit all over their guitars, as opposed to the weird-ass shit thrash bands often wore in the 80s...

 

[El Sueno]

You know what I'd really like to hear? Classical grindcore - as in an actual orchestra of musicians playing big brass and woodwind instruments and all that shit, really fast, with some heavy, blood curdling vocals.

Check out Bal Sagoth

They're a fantasy metal band complete with digi-orcehstral scores over every song. Absolutely mental - sounds like Peter Jackson asked a death metal band to do the score for his Lord of the Rings movies.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Strapping Young Lad!

Is that Devin Townsend? He has a new album out, I believe.

 

[Herbsman.]

Check out Bal Sagoth

They're a fantasy metal band complete with digi-orcehstral scores over every song. Absolutely mental - sounds like Peter Jackson asked a death metal band to do the score for his Lord of the Rings movies.

as much as i hate fantasy bands, i'm intrigued and am gonna have a listen

 

[Herbsman.]

you know what i'd love? a thundercats soundtrack. but harder and faster. i used to love the awesome tunes on thundercats. HO!

 

[blairsh]

Is that Devin Townsend? He has a new album out, I believe.

Yes. He is a beast

 

[Riklet]

Hey, well done, you're a retard. Someone fetch a medal for Riklet!

you like shit music!

amidoinitriteyet?

 

[damnhippie]

you know what i'd love? a thundercats soundtrack. but harder and faster. i used to love the awesome tunes on thundercats. HO!

http://www.megadriver.com.br/mp3/MegaDriver - Thundercats.mp3



no singing though. you could always add your own.

 

[El Sueno]

as much as i hate fantasy bands, i'm intrigued and am gonna have a listen

Most albums follow a symphonic structure too - quiet string intro followed by a bunch of bruising metal, then another quiet 'minuet' in the middle, more metal and finally a classical outro. Intruiging to say the least.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Bit of a bump but i just discovered these: Insomnium, they are fucking awesome.

 

[Herbsman.]

fuckin posers