Griffin on Q time loads just on BBC News

[kyser_soze]

Not quite as simple as that. They are condemning the CWU. So a bit hard to support the strike when you are condemning the trade union, saying it is part of the marxist establishment. They could have been pressed on why they don't like the trade unions.

The BNP have to be taken on with class issues. Just calling them racist won't and obviously isn't working.

Saying troops out of all muslim countries is hardly a surprising attitude for someone who thinks states should be based on racial purity.

It's not hard at all:

NG: I don't support the CWU, or TUs in general, but I support the working class man in the street.

OSS: Why don't you like trade unions?

NG: Because they are also part of the establishment we're fighting as a party. They don't represent real working people's views, only the views of the poltically correct elite running them.

See, really simple. By positioning himself as 'anti-establishment' Griffin easily sidesteps issues like this.

 

[untethered]

What nationality doesn't believe in fair play?

French.

 

[DotCommunist]

What nationality doesn't believe in fair play?

Two words. Diego Maradona

 

[Fedayn]

Two words. Diego Maradona

Russian linesman

 

[kyser_soze]

Dodgy ref

 

[JimPage]

It's not hard at all:

NG: I don't support the CWU, or TUs in general, but I support the working class man in the street.

OSS: Why don't you like trade unions?

NG: Because they are also part of the establishment we're fighting as a party. They don't represent real working people's views, only the views of the poltically correct elite running them.

See, really simple. By positioning himself as 'anti-establishment' Griffin easily sidesteps issues like this.

As the BNP are supporting the CWU position, as stated by them on R4 this morning, and it was good fortune that the post strike was not brought up, or Griffin would have attacked the privatisers of the post office from what woudl have looked like a left position

Ditto afghanistan.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

True about French and Mexicans.

NG: I don't support the CWU, or TUs in general, but I support the working class man in the street.

OSS: Why don't you like trade unions?

NG: Because they are also part of the establishment we're fighting as a party. They don't represent real working people's views, only the views of the poltically correct elite running them.

See, really simple. By positioning himself as 'anti-establishment' Griffin easily sidesteps issues like this.

He can if the person asking the questions isn't very good. But you could go on to ask why when most CWU members have a loyalty and attachment to their union, why does he think he can patronise them by saying they are being duped? Why does he not like trade unions when they have fought for and won rights for working people? Who else does he think will do this?

 

[TAE]

Highlight for me was 14min into the program (see iPlayer) when David Dimbleby pointed out Griffin said in a speech that the BNP needs to merely moderate its language for now and can then later return to its original agenda.

 

[kyser_soze]

The thing is, if you look at how the BNPs manifesto can be read and delivered they look closer to some kind of communitarian socialism (providing you're white ) than a fash party; emphasis on locality and local communities, disparaging of the faceless urban liberal elite (why is it always a liberal elite?), making the 'reasonable opinion to hold on immigration' argument by pretending it's about jobs and welfare and not about forriners.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

As the BNP are supporting the CWU position, as stated by them on R4 this morning, and it was good fortune that the post strike was not brought up, or Griffin would have attacked the privatisers of the post office from what woudl have looked like a left position

But this is the problem of relying on the mainstream politicians, like the UAF does. They are attacking the working class so how can anyone think it's a good idea to rely on them to undermine fascism.

The BNP needs to be taken of from a pro-working class perspective. This obviously wasn't going to happen on Question Time, so really it didn't matter that much what question came up.

The BNP aren't supporting the CWU though, they have condemned them.

 

[gabi]

He did have one interesting point. Something along the lines of 'try going to nz and telling the Maori there's no such thing as indigenous'..

I can almost hear the howls now. For the record I agree there's no such thing as indigenous either but I was raised to respect the tangata whenua. To mention the Maori had only been there a few years before the pakeha arrived was well, 'unmentionable'.

 

[kyser_soze]

True about French and Mexicans.



He can if the person asking the questions isn't very good. But you could go on to ask why when most CWU members have a loyalty and attachment to their union, why does he think he can patronise them by saying they are being duped? Why does he not like trade unions when they have fought for and won rights for working people? Who else does he think will do this?

If you're even vaguely left wing, and believe that the whole world is being duped by capitalism, you would already know the answer to this. If you understood your enemy's position, you would already know the answer.

That last question is obvious as well - The BNP, and you'd be an idiot to ask it of him.

 

[ska invita]

He did have one interesting point. Something along the lines of 'try going to nz and telling the Maori there's no such thing as indigenous'..

I can almost hear the howls now. For the record I agree there's no such thing as indigenous either but I was raised to respect the tangata whenua. To mention the Maori had only been there a few years before the pakeha arrived was well, 'unmentionable'.

English history is very different to that of many other countries mind - it s particularly mixed, more so than some other remote places. It would be hilarious to get Griffin to have a DNA test where they analyse where you genes come from...

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

If you're even vaguely left wing, and believe that the whole world is being duped by capitalism, you would already know the answer to this. If you understood your enemy's position, you would already know the answer.

That last question is obvious as well - The BNP, and you'd be an idiot to ask it of him.

Obviously Griffin can give answers to anything, and he is quite good at doing it. But the BNP has to be taken on from a pro-working class perspective. Not with UAF liberal nonsense.

Also he might say the BNP can do this, the point is to show they aren't pro-working class.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Do they? Are you simply referencing a commonly held belief or do you seriously believe this?

They like to think they do. In order to cover themselves from criticism from the left the BBC panicked, and overreached to ensure Griffin got a good kicking. Which he did. So much for the BBC supposed impartiality.

Along with the generals or 'war criminals' as Griffin would have it, being roped in behind the 'anti-fascist' cause there is definitely a whiff of establishment panic in the air. Private polling by the Tories which shows them making ground on their turf may be behind it.

 

[danny la rouge]

He did have one interesting point. Something along the lines of 'try going to nz and telling the Maori there's no such thing as indigenous'..

I've raised that a couple of times already. It's a tack that I think played well, and Straw had no answer. Only Greer tackled it, but not in a way that made sense to the people it played well to.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I've raised that a couple of times already. It's a tack that I think played well, and Straw had no answer. Only Greer tackled it, but not in a way that made sense to the people it played well to.

Hard, that one. Greer's tack was right, but essentially, she had too much to say and couldn't condense why he was wrong into a couple of sentences. I think she was finding it difficult to know where to start with Griffin's idiotic versions of history and science.

 

[danny la rouge]

Hard, that one. Greer's tack was right, but essentially, she had too much to say and couldn't condense why he was wrong into a couple of sentences. I think she was finding it difficult to know where to start with Griffin's idiotic versions of history and science.

Don't get me wrong, of all the panel she handled him best: the jokey, almost-matey, calm way she treated him was great. Her response to the KKK thing was therefore better than Straw's.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Don't get me wrong, of all the panel she handled him best: the jokey, almost-matey, calm way she treated him was great. Her response to the KKK thing was therefore better than Straw's.

She pulled rank on him – I'm a black person who grew up in the American South. Don't tell me about the KKK... And he had no answer to that because he was bluffing, she knew it, and he knew she knew it.

 

[goldenecitrone]

I've raised that a couple of times already. It's a tack that I think played well, and Straw had no answer. Only Greer tackled it, but not in a way that made sense to the people it played well to.

We can combat the erosion of aboriginal white culture in the UK by educating children about the origins of Morris dancing and cheese rolling and making sure that Cockney rhyming slang is on every curriculum so it doesn't die out as Arabic becomes our native tongue.

 

[butchersapron]

chicago's not in the American south.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

chicago's not in the American south.

That where she's from? I thought I detected a Southern twang. So much for my accent skills...

 

[danny la rouge]

We can combat the erosion of aboriginal white culture in the UK by educating children about the origins of Morris dancing and cheese rolling and making sure that Cockney rhyming slang is on every curriculum so it doesn't die out as Arabic becomes our native tongue.

It isn't what he said, though. What he said (I paraphrase it to the way it was heard by its constituency) is that trendy liberal metropolitan elite people deny that there is such a thing as "indigenous British people", but wouldn't dare say that to a Maori or Native American. I've had this said back to me today. It struck home where he wanted it to strike home. The subtext is that the "indigenous British people" have no champions in the traditional political classes. That was heard and understood, and not just by "idiot Star-reading morons".

 

[TAE]

... they look closer to some kind of communitarian socialism (providing you're white ) ...

You mean like a socialism which is national, what could we call that - a national socialism?

 

[kyser_soze]

You mean like a socialism which is national, what could we call that - a national socialism?

That could catch on...

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought I detected a Southern twang.

that comes from her living in london

 

[Fedayn]

They like to think they do. In order to cover themselves from criticism from the left the BBC panicked, and overreached to ensure Griffin got a good kicking. Which he did. So much for the BBC supposed impartiality.

Along with the generals or 'war criminals' as Griffin would have it, being roped in behind the 'anti-fascist' cause there is definitely a whiff of establishment panic in the air. Private polling by the Tories which shows them making ground on their turf may be behind it.

Cheers for the clarification, make you right.