Griffin on Q time loads just on BBC News
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chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Strategy of tension!
sorry, i never paid attention in metaphysics class.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
you could be a 3rd Chuckle Brother with a catchphrase like that.
T & P
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My concern about this is that the more exposure the BNP gets, the more support they'll atract. They are always going to attract bigger numbers of new supporters than lose potential ones.So what? If someone is impressed by a gibbering racist fool and decides to go out and vote BNP, there isn't a great deal anyone can do about it!
john x
Nobody who is both intelligent and a decent human being would ever vote for them. But those who might be inclined to vote for the BNP in the first place are unlikely to be turned by any effective demolition of Griffin on TV. People who have sympathies towards the BNP are by definition flawed in their thinking process: either by being bigoted/racist or by not being very bright. So they're far more likely to dismiss any pwnage Griffin endures as banter, and take in the usual stock of lies, misquotes and soundbites, because they're already predisposed towards it.
It would have helped if he'd got a truly comprehensive battering in the debate. But I don't think it was nearly enough to convince anyone who wasn't already prepared to vote BNP not to do it.
Spanish Fly
tendril
Coming up blastin' like Yosemite Sam
I've just come home early from a particularly awful gig to watch it and made the mistake of telling the cab driver what I was doing. I had to listen to a load of racist babble from a bloke who thought he wasn't racist, just didn't want the country over run with free loadersand that's before Nick Griffin has had his say
Was his rant about non white people coming to the Uk, or just 'foreign' people? If it was just 'foreign' people then he has a legitimate view. We do have border control for a reason. This border control should be unilateral and not biased towards a certain colour, race or religion (though in practice it may be).
It is an easy trump card to play by saying that favouring border control = racist.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, that was a good bit.
Overall, though, it was the same tired shit. Nobody had the guts to speak up for immigration. Nobody in the main parties dare say that people's problems aren't caused by immigrants taking their jobs as they'd have to admit what the real cause of those problems is. In fact, the three main parties were falling over themselves to out-anti-immigration each other while, in Jack Straw's case, bigging up their immigrant credentials! In that sense the BNP won.
Would have been better with no other politicians on at all. Bonnie Greer was the only one who talked sense and tackled the substance of the BNP's idiocy, and normally she gets on my tits.
untethered
For industry & decency
If they couldn't get the numbers they should have advertised it on Stuff White People Like.
john x
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chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
straw was utterly pathetic. actually, the bumbling cretin reminded me of that episode of Alan partridge when they have the Norwich MPs on and the conservative bloke loses the rag after the 'bald Brummie' winds him up.
Straw was like the conservative bloke whenever he was asked a question.
difference being i don't think Straw would ever sriously believe he could govern the country.
Straw was like the conservative bloke whenever he was asked a question.
difference being i don't think Straw would ever sriously believe he could govern the country.
Joe Reilly
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Yes, that was a good bit.
Overall, though, it was the same tired shit. Nobody had the guts to speak up for immigration. Nobody in the main parties dare say that people's problems aren't caused by immigrants taking their jobs as they'd have to admit what the real cause of those problems is. In fact, the three main parties were falling over themselves to out-anti-immigration each other while, in Jack Straw's case, bigging up their immigrant credentials! In that sense the BNP won.
Would have been better with no other politicians on at all. Bonnie Greer was the only one who talked sense and tackled the substance of the BNP's idiocy, and normally she gets on my tits.
Exactly the BNP won because the programme was about the BNP as a party to begin with. Then when it turned to policy it was all about the core BNP policy.
However though they talking heads talked around it for a bit none of them said anything of substance which made the BNP policy appear a bit rough and ready but honest
Honest in the sense that they appear able to articulate what they actually believe in on the issue. None of the others managed that.
From the outset Griffin was the underdog. Even the supposedly impartial chair put his own questions to him. At times by sheer weight of numbers he might have appeared to be taking a hammering but to some it will look like he was shouted down, interrupted and not allowed to answer.
The nearest parallel was when IRA man Gerry Kelly appeared on Question Time in east Belfast. Mainly loyalist audience. The scene tonight were not dissimilar. The thing is Republicans loved the Kelly performance. The other point is that for many the anti-racist audience will have come across just like the unionist audience; bigoted, hysterical and hypocritical.
john x
Well-Known Member
If I remember correctly, Kelly actually appeared on Question Time as a Sinn Fein politician. If he had appeared as an IRA man he would have been arrested.
john x
toblerone3
Grrrrr
I agree to an extent. The anti-BNP move failed. But the BNP in England will be rejected in the end. At the end of a couple of cycles of politics.
john x
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toblerone3
Grrrrr
the underdog only wins by standing his ground firmly - i don't think Griffin would be seen as doing that by many tonight. he came across as a shifty, awkward weirdo ranting in a language no people relate to. and at the same time pandering to the rest of them and trying to be liked. thats a losing formula for anyone.
the only point he will have won on (for many) was immigration when that disgrace Chris Huhne started an inane party political argument that let Griffin make his point clearly and calmy through the middle of.
Mungy
i haz boobz
Llandudno, apparently.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
It already has been. By 94% of the voters!
john x
Its just a pity only 60% of the country bothered voting in the last election, and only 35% in the EU elections...
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