Grenfell Tower in North Kensington is on fire

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by JTG, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Here we go...

    Council attacked for stockpiling £274m despite Grenfell Tower residents' calls for fire safety improvements

     
  2. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

    As well as the various funds to support the survivors, you can also donate to the Grenfell Action Group, the residents' group which raised safety concerns with KCTMO and RBKC before the fire:

    To support The Grenfell Action Group Please donate to RHN account, marking donation 'GAG' - bank details are: s/c 08-92-99, acc no 65779994

    or to Help raise £5000 to support the Grenfell Action Group Fighting Fund. Through campaigning and court cases we can bring those responsible for the fire to justice

    (Via Solidarity with Residents of Grenfell Tower Facebook Group)
     
  3. OneStrike

    OneStrike Well-Known Member

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  4. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Sorry I have no idea i am just really fucking angry. Cunts.
     
  5. free spirit

    free spirit more tea vicar?

    Been talking to my dad about this this afternoon (he's a professor of combustion engineering / fire engineering, ran one of the only fire engineering courses in the country for several decades).

    It seems that the list of regulatory failures that led to this are quite a bit longer and go back further than I'd thought.

    Stuff like the fact that the advice that people in tall buildings should stay in their flats, and shouldn't use the lifts to escape has been under review for something like 15 years without that review ever being concluded.

    And he reckons that the building regs requirements for the fire rating of these cladding panels / insulation for tall buildings was reduced in the building regs revision in 2010 when it changed from a previous BS standard to a EN BS standard, but you'd have to actually have copies of each document to know this. The new regs specifically don't have any requirement for smoke / soot emissions or to prevent molten burning material from dripping and spreading the fire that way. Which is why the smoke was so bad, and molten burning material can be seen falling from the cladding.

    Amongst other things that he's currently writing up a report on.

    Says he's been making these points at conferences etc for years and being ignored.
     
  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    The rebate/hardback was according to bimble's letter only 2014/15.
     
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  7. Kid_Eternity

    Kid_Eternity "You might be a lord but here comes the king."

    Link to that firefighter piece here, we need to get that shared as much as possible round Facebook to counter the lies being told about the operation:


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  8. free spirit

    free spirit more tea vicar?

    I can't vouch for the accuracy, but here's a list of ACM cladding fires from around the world, that shows why these materials should have been banned for this use well before they were used on this cladding project, if the Secratary of State was vaguely competent / not under the influence of the cladding / building industry.

    From a comment on this article Updated: Grenfell fire highlights ‘serious failure’ and cladding concerns
     
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  9. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    No mental gymnastics, just the political classes closing ranks and protecting their own, the cunts.
     
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  10. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    To be fair, Piers is one of my Facebook "friends", and he often veers off into some extremely unsavoury loonspudulence around climate change. Never seen him giving it the old "international bankers" schtick, mind, although he has more than a few followers who've obviously swallowed "The Protocols..." and every shitty diatribe Icke has ever written, whole.
     
  11. UrbaneFox

    UrbaneFox The Royal Cataract

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  12. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Sproutarian.

    Somewhat "homespun", but a favourite Youtuber of mine in Australia who's an amateur engineer and part-time bush fire-preventer happened to get his hands on some of this stuff and has spotted yet another weakness in its construction ...

     
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  13. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    Can you explain what this weakness is? I'm afraid I'm not feeling up to wading through random videos
     
  14. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Sproutarian.

    In the samples he has, there's actually a groove cut through the aluminium skin as part of the fixing process - so it's not like it's even a continuous skin.
     
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  15. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

  16. Dandred

    Dandred Mmmmm Beer!

    500-600 dead according to this woman.



     
  17. Thora

    Thora Differently Ethical

    I haven't watched the video but that would mean 4-5 deaths per flat wouldn't it? Which seems a bit unlikely.
     
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  18. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    That woman is obviously distressed. Don't think anybody knows yet what the true death toll is. There are survivors who got out.
     
  19. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    It seems unlikely to me too, and it's Press TV.
     
  20. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    And the poster who's put it up is a pointless stirrer.
     
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  21. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    Pilgrim Tucker from Grenfell Action Group is on Marr, BBC1 now.
     
  22. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

  23. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    Interesting development reported by BBC just now.

    Perhaps whoever is running things in No 10 right now have, belatedly, realised that the utter inability of KCBC to provide help to its citizens is making austerity look bad.

    Grenfell Tower fire: Government staff sent into Kensington and Chelsea council - BBC News
     
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  24. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato T'agba ta ti de, a ma yo ogunja.

    It isn't a 'Birthday Bash' per se, it is the equivalent of 4th July for the USA or Bastille Day for France.
     
  25. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    I've no idea but you can see the chaos and confusion looking at that list, how the same people are reported missing from different flats, spellings of peoples names are unsure etc. The council must have better than that surely?
     
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  26. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    there'll be lots of subletting, people staying over, etc i imagine :(
     
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  27. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

  28. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Of the 149 listed as missing I counted at least 37 that are also listed as being duplicates in the comments column. I wouldn't regard that list as being remotely accurate.
     
  29. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    There was someone on one of the news channels earlier saying they hadn't seen anyone from K&C council on the ground, but a number of employees from Westminster council had been helping.

    WFT is wrong with K&C?
     
  30. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Given what the latter two commemorate, I'm not sure a Royal birthday is quite the same thing... :hmm: Especially when it's fake ;)
     

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