Grenfell Tower in North Kensington is on fire

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by JTG, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. EastEnder

    EastEnder Brixton Barnacle

    How uncharacteristically merciful!
     
  2. Ted Striker

    Ted Striker Foot's on the other hand

    A local Councillor on BBC live right now (that was present at all consultation meetings) just mentioned she remembered no mention of sprinklers, and has called this as an outright lie and for Paget-Brown to retract the statement.
     
  3. mod

    mod A modernist

  4. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    Yeah I would have thought they'd be able to get a rough figure by working out how many missing person reports are duplicates, and counting unidentified people in hospitals - but that the final figure may well be higher (because of people with no-one to report them, including lodgers and others living there unofficially (for example my housing association told me I don't have to tell them if I have a partner, family member, or lodger move in, so long as I don't over-occupy or operate a business (ie airb&b) - I don't know if thats the case in social housing generally - and there'll always be people staying with friends and family temporarily, not to mention subletting and airb&b going on either without the housing management's knowledge or in privately owned flats - and more of this going on because of the government's appalling housing policies).

    But it seems odd that some sort of estimate isn't being given.
     
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  5. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    PR people for the Royals realise what a mess the Tories are making of this and do not want to be caught wrong footed and associated with it.
     
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  6. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Astonishing. fucking astonishing.
     
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  7. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    Someone on Twitter suggesting googling "Boris Johnson" "Rydon Construction"

    I found this ...

    Mayor of London announces new housing panel – Buildington Blog

    There's also a bunch of stuff about Boris and some sleazy Chinese developers that comes up if you search "Boris" "Housing" "Corruption" and stuff like that ...
     
  8. fakeplasticgirl

    fakeplasticgirl hysterically useless

    I don't normally like calling people "scum" but that Paget-Brown really, really makes my skin crawl :mad:
     
  9. mod

    mod A modernist

    Endless robotic platitudes and fuck all substance. Much like listening to May. Fair play to the fella who articulately and passionately let her know the score. Well done son.
     
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  10. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

    Its going to be prebooking your slot at Grenfell by the end of today. A cavalcade of political scum and robber baron parasites elbowing their way into the camera lens with *sad faces*
     
  11. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

    I don't much like the Royals but Lizzie is remarkably popular and liable to go down better than Lady May with the injured at the hospitals.

    They are also fairly experienced at handling this sort of thing, and tend not be seen as directly responsible unlike say the government or council.
     
  12. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    also 'one wishes to make that vicars daughter look a cunt. Arrange my carraige'
     
  13. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Even with all the complications about sub-letting and people who were tenants who were out at the time, they've almost certainly got a ballpark figure. Something that won't be right, but won't be wrong by a magnitude of 10 for example. It seems they could be using phrases like 'tens', 'dozens' or 'is expected to rise over 100'. At one level, as an uninvolved member of the public, I'm not fussed about knowing, though there's the suspicion they are managing the flow of information. It's more important for the families with missing relatives. At the very least they need confidence that the authorities are being honest in their estimates, even if they turn out to be wrong ultimately.
     
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  14. eatmorecheese

    eatmorecheese Be who you needed when you were younger

    I haven't commented on this thread as yet because I've struggled to both get my head around the scale of the tragedy and to manage my emotional responses. It feels almost inevitable that such a thing could happen, following the 'othering' of social housing residents, poor doors and all that.

    I just want to break stuff right now. These cunts need to know and directly feel consequences for this institutionalised neglect. Enough. Fucking enough.
     
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  15. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    I despise them. One good thing about the visit though is that it does make May look so much worse than she does already.
     
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  16. eatmorecheese

    eatmorecheese Be who you needed when you were younger

    He
    He needs the Hunter Thompson prescription of having his nuts ripped off with a plastic fork.
     
  17. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Regret, transience and disillusioned fortitude..

    It hurts and enrages at the same time I find.
     
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  18. mod

    mod A modernist

    Thought it wouldn't take long for 'voice of the people' Lily to be on the scene giving another tearful contribution to a news event. Am I being overly cynical about Lily Allen or is she as irritating as i think she is?
     
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  19. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie Casting his shadow weaving his spell

    No 10 got a whiff that Liz was doing a hospital visit, & thought fuck, we'd better do one too. Wouldn't put it past em the utter filth.
     
  20. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

    This is not a bad thing I feel , it is anger but it is also positive in strange sort of way - cannot let this fall away and be forgotten about or politically tempered into something more acceptable - this is pivotal
     
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  21. ffsear

    ffsear Well-Known Member

    Not at all, shes a fucking idiot
     
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  22. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    I don't know a huge amount about her but she seems to really care about ordinary people in a way that I think other 'left' celebs like Billy Bragg do not. I don't think it's a career thing for her.
     
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    a tory speaks
     
  24. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    The way stuff like this is often done is that they send out some shitty consultation questionnaire, get a small percentage of them returned as a lot of people are too busy or can't be arsed filling it in (often because their views will be ignored anyway), then count the tenants that don't respond as being on the side of whatever they want. It's happened in some housing stock sell-offs, where they've claimed (as a hypothetical example) 'only 40% of residents were against the transfer to Crooked & Offshore Associates' when only half the consultations were responded to with 80% of residents against. Private Eye has had plenty of examples of this.
     
  25. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    if it was liz fraser out of the carry on films that might better raise people's spirits

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  26. killer b

    killer b No Hateration, No Holeration. in this Dancery

    Well, that's cleared any doubts up for me.
     
  27. ShiftyBagLady

    ShiftyBagLady Thinks she is a flower to be looked at

    I don't have an opinion on Lily Allen either way but she's speaking up for people who keep getting patronised and censored by people interviewing them on tv. I think that's a good thing.
     
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  28. sunnysidedown

    sunnysidedown Well-Known Member

    I thought she got it spot on yesterday on the C4 news. Of course the points she made will be drowned out by the usual types giving her shit for being young, female and famous.
     
  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    and articulate
     
  30. SheilaNaGig

    SheilaNaGig Struggling and striving

    Yup.

    Last night we were saying all the things she ought to have done, could have done, should have done.

    But in the end, she did as she is, and it's fitting that she's showing herself as she truly is rather than acting like a person with any semblance of compassion or fellow feeling.
     
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