Ned: I do believe that the point was that Israel has a self sufficient, neigh very successful economy. It has the 16th highest GDP of any nation in the world so that the claim that it is dependant on the US for its very existence is silly.
If you want to split hairs over what year whatever patent was inherited, or whatever your point is, fine but that does not change the money made and I do belive THAT was the point.
"Pulling it out of a database." Like you are not producing your "facts" from one? Riiiight. You just naturally know the year and propiertiship of various patents. It is pretty laughable really. Perhaps you should look at it as less of he man pissing copntent and more fo an opportunity to broaden your horizons. The point here is not to mount a soapbox or stroke your ego, rather it is to exchange points of view.
As for that CIA stuff, sounds like you need help if you really are sincere. Not everyone that thinks differently than you is your enemy. They are certainly not your enemy on that basis alone.
Cuban Pete: The English are not a gentically closely related people. Picts, Romans, Saxons, Danish, Norman, French, not to mention Welsh, Scott, and Irish in addition to every colonial backwater where the Jack flew, all cross pollinating each other in each and every way.
Fact is, Jews although we have many different physical types (almost) all share VERY closely related gentics. But that was NOT my point at all. do not see a genome as something to fght for. I see shared cultural values, shared history, and shared hopes for the future as something that united Jews far more than our Y-Chromosomes will ever do.
It is also a safety issue. As we saw in Germany and Eastern Europe, we can live among non-Jews for morre than a thousand years, we can serve their flags, we can build and maintain a good share of their economies but in the end we seen as outsiders. As Hitler showed us, it does not matter if you have one Jewish parent, indeed one grandparent. In the end you are a Jew.
By reveling in our identity and culture we then maintain a certain vigilance, a certain self awareness that protects us from physical harm. Many have a difficult time understanding this point but then many did not have family members slaughtered like rats simply for having a Jewish genealogy.
G: "Rubbish the historian because he or she takes a different view." No, not at all. Only if that historian is clearly wrong and probably purposefully.Of course you fail to offer any supporting personalities save for a neo Nazi affiliated organisation.
"Rachamim would not accept these proofs from anyone else and yet he uses them himself when they match his views." Uh, no I do not. I merely produced them because the person I was addressing said that there is no thrid party claims to my position. I then demoinstrated that yes, there are many. I think that I proved that one. Of course since you are concentrating on devisiveness and not real issues that would be lost on you.
"blah,blahblah...akin to born again Christain." there you go again, with you religious fixation. You still have not realised that Israel is a state of Jewish People, not co-religioists. When you master that things might become cleaer for you.
I would also like to add that yet again you have failed to answer a single question I have posed directly to you. You have taken the tact of insulting me instead of arguing your position. To date, you have only ever answered one, single question (the one in which I asked you whether or not you oppose other nations having religious symbolism in their flags or is it simply the Jewish one which you belive does). Deflecting with insults is not new, nor clever. I would ask you again, please answer the questions posed and not only by me. Others have been asing you the very same thing. When will we see an answer? It is not souces people ask for here, just you committing to one thing.
Again, "The Bible has an aswer for everything..." WHAT??? When have I EVER used the Bible for anything here? I am not even faintly religiuous. I grew up in a nation steeped in hardcore socialism where religion was usually pissed upon. You have no clue, do you?
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