Greens to stand against David Davis

[untethered]

SHAN OAKES - Canned luncheon meat

I think we get the idea.

 

[elbows]

There are 26 candidates in the election now!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7476255.stm

 

[AnatoleF]

Nope. One opponent. It's a two horse race. Greens versus Grey.

 

[Brainaddict]

Nope. One opponent. It's a two horse race. Greens versus Grey.

I'd love the greens to win but you won't do your cause any good with these delusions of grandeur.

Nor by posting up lots of links on a bulletin board you've just arrived on.

 

[untethered]

Nope. One opponent. It's a two horse race. Greens versus Grey.

Of course, except one is a much-lauded thoroughbred winner and the other has spent their career up until now conveying small children at a sedate pace up and down the beach.

 

[AnatoleF]

Are you suggesting that Grey is the kind of chap who likes to survey small children on beaches?

Outrageous!

Next you will impugning Grey's honour by calling him a 28 day habeas corpus-suspending, Afghanistan-colonising, Trident-renewing authoritarian!

 

[chilango]

I don't think we've got a chance of winning this seat.

As far as I'm concerned we've stood on principle. A good vote well above a saved deposit and a clear platform to demolish Davis' stance will do me.

 

[elbows]

Are you suggesting that Grey is the kind of chap who likes to survey small children on beaches?

I think the suggestion was that he is a donkey.

 

[AnatoleF]

I don't think we've got a chance of winning this seat.

As far as I'm concerned we've stood on principle. A good vote well above a saved deposit and a clear platform to demolish Davis' stance will do me.

I'll give you something that there is 0.000000000000000000001% chance of - DonQuixote Davis getting above 70% of the vote.

You can have a flutter on that particular issue here:

http://www.betfair.com/Index.do?mi=21056184&ex=1&rfr=3925suid=3925&bspi=3925

 

[AnatoleF]

Chilango - do bear in mind that I'm writing this from the Green frontline here in Haltemprice. Why not pop up on the train and canvas on the doorstep? You might discover you will change your views when you see the lie of the land here at ground level, a place our overpaid and unrepresentative parliamentarians do not usually deign to visit.

Trains to Haltemprice and Howden:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/

(Don't worry, they'll be quicker and cheaper when we've re-nationalised them)

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Elections for MPs are not normally fought on one issue. The fact that Davis has deliberately stood down as MP for this constituency so as to create a by-election on an issue of his choosing should make no difference to this. His Conservative core voters in many cases don't agree with him on the issue and will only vote for him out of party loyalty if they do so.

Those who want to stand against Davis should not be dealing with the 42 day detention issue at all. Certainly Davis is not a genuine supporter of civil liberties as his record shows, but why give him the satisfaction of pretending that he is a man of principle. I think the fight should be about appalling conservative policies as espoused by Davis's party of the present and the past, as well as the same ones that are being carried out by the incumbent Government.

The election should be about the economic policies that are affecting people primarily and the civil liberties issues also included but in a way as to make the point of view of Davis irrelevant ie saying 'no' to 28 days. The economy is what is currently worrying people and the Tories have no answers.

 

[AnatoleF]

ABSOLUTELY right Hocus.

Does David Cameron worry financially at all? How can a man in an ivory tower with a fat second home allowance come up with a plan for the problems we face?

Here's the squeeze in diagrams:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7457886.stm

 

[chilango]

Chilango - do bear in mind that I'm writing this from the Green frontline here in Haltemprice. Why not pop up on the train and canvas on the doorstep? You might discover you will change your views when you see the lie of the land here at ground level, a place our overpaid and unrepresentative parliamentarians do not usually deign to visit.

Trains to Haltemprice and Howden:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/

(Don't worry, they'll be quicker and cheaper when we've re-nationalised them)

Perhaps then you can relay some of the voters views that you have encountered on the doorsteps. That would be interesting for those watching from a distance..

 

[AnatoleF]

In a nutshell - we're sick to death of the politicians dining off a big fat gravy train (composed of our taxation) in Westminster. From my experience so far, that view applies to Davis, and people want to vote for something totally different in the election. The electorate so far are very, very open to the Greens.

I suggest you come up, you'll be very welcome.

Must dash - writing from an internet shack.

 

[liampreston]

There are TWENTY SIX (a record) candidates standing in H&H. For all the geeks amongst us, the full list is...

Grace ASTLEY - Independent
David BISHOP - Church of the Militant Elvis Party
Ronnie CARROLL - Make Politicians History
Mad COW-GIRL - Official Monster Raving Loony Party
David CRAIG - Independent
Herbert CROSSMAN - Independent
Tess CULNANE - National Front
Thomas DARWOOD - Independent
David DAVIS - Conservative Party
Tony FARNON - Independent
Eamonn FITZPATRICK - Independent
Christopher FOREN - Independent
Gemma GARRETT - Miss Great Britain Party
George HARGREAVES - Christian Party
Hamish HOWITT - Freedom 4 Choice
David ICKE - (no description)
John NICHOLSON - Independent
Shan OAKES - Green Party
David PINDER - The New Party
Joanne ROBINSON - English Democrats
Jill SAWARD - Independent
Norman SCARTH - Independent
Walter SWEENEY - Independent
Christopher TALBOT - Socialist Equality Party
John UPEX - Independent
Greg WOOD - Independent

 

[untethered]

There's a piece on "anti-rape campaigner" Jill Saward here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jun/26/haltemprice.daviddavis

 

[chilango]

In a nutshell - we're sick to death of the politicians dining off a big fat gravy train (composed of our taxation) in Westminster. From my experience so far, that view applies to Davis, and people want to vote for something totally different in the election. The electorate so far are very, very open to the Greens.

I suggest you come up, you'll be very welcome.

Must dash - writing from an internet shack.

I hope you're right.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

There are 25 candidates in addition to David Davis standing. Given an average of 200 votes each for these then that is 5,000 votes Davis won't be getting.

However Labour and Liberals staying out of the race is much the same as giving Davis a free pass to Parliament. Come on the Greens.

 

[liampreston]

I've listed the 26 above.

Come on David Icke, I say... Or perhaps the Socialist Equality Party

 

[bi0boy]

I like the sound of the Church of Militant Elvis Party. http://lordbiro.wordpress.com/

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

I reckon Greens could very well come second here- the previous best is third.

OK very exceptional circumstances, but even so, worth running a candidate for that alone

 

[untethered]

I reckon Greens could very well come second here- the previous best is third.

OK very exceptional circumstances, but even so, worth running a candidate for that alone

What, for coming second in a two-horse race?

Would there be any particular merit in beating a bunch of unknowns, loonies and David Icke?

 

[greenman]

It seems from her comments that Jill Saward will be the main repository of the pro-New Labour authoritarianism vote and might possibly also attract those Tories who disagree with Davis' stand from the authoritarian right, whilst the NF and English Democrats may mop up the BNP and UKIP sympathetic sections. (Whilst the officials of BNP and UKIP may express support for Davis one doubts whether this reflects the view of their voter base!)

On the left the Greens' Shan Oakes has a fairly clear run with only the ex-WRPer and one or two of the eccentric independents putting forward a "left of centre" platform. The Green campaign will be able to put forward a democratic, left civil libertarian approach to the main points of contention.

It is actually good that Icke is standing as it offers an opportunity for the Greens to attack his paranoid conspiracism and make clear that he, and those who share his views, have nothing to do with our party. One of his main defences against claims that his ideas bore much resemblance to far-right conspiracism was that he was "apolititical" or "spiritual". His participation in this election kicks away that particular line of defence.

It is unlikely (to say the least) that the Greens will defeat David Davis, it may even be that we are defeated by a rightist authoritarian populist posing as the alternative to Davis, but these do not make the Green campaign any less worthwhile. The Green campaign will show that it is possible to be on the left and not support an ever more powerful state and that it is possible to be in favour of liberty and democracy without favouring corporate power and license for the rich and powerful to exploit and dominate. This is important, given that the Tory and Davisite media campaign is designed to equate the left as a whole with authoritarianism/state idolisation in the public mind and to claim the mantle of defenders of civil liberties exclusively for the free market right. We must do everything we can to defeat that strategy.

 

[Matt S]

I wouldn't normally post these details up, but since people have asked - if you want to donate to Shan's campaign, you can do so by bank transfer:

Co-op Bank, Alfred Gelder St, Hull
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acc no 65169216

Please let [email protected] know that you have made a donation, as it's important that we track these.

Cheers,

Matt

 

[elbows]

It is actually good that Icke is standing as it offers an opportunity for the Greens to attack his paranoid conspiracism and make clear that he, and those who share his views, have nothing to do with our party.

I question whether they will actually bother? Icke will be mostly ignored wont he? Would be interesting canvassing in that area to see how many mention him, not so very many I would guess.

 

[JHE]

It is thought to be the highest number of candidates ever to stand at a by-election in recent times.

Here is the full list of candidates:

Grace Christine Astley - Independent
David Laurence Bishop - Church of the Militant Elvis Party
Ronnie Carroll - Make Politicians History
Mad Cow-Girl - The Official Monster Raving Loony Party
David Craig - Independent
Herbert Winford Crossman - Independent
Tess Culnane - National Front Britain for the British
Thomas Faithful Darwood - Independent
David Michael Davis - Conservative
Tony Farnon - Independent
Eamonn "Fitzy" Fitzpatrick - Independent
Christopher Mark Foren - Independent
Gemma Dawn Garrett - Miss Great Britain Party
George Hargreaves - Christian Party
Hamish Howitt - Freedom 4 Choice
David Icke - No party listed
John Nicholson - Independent
Shan Oakes - Green Party
David Pinder - The New Party
Joanne Robinson - English Democrats: Putting England First
Jill Saward - Independent
Norman Scarth - Independent
Walter Edward Sweeney - Independent
Christopher John Talbot - Socialist Equality Party
John Randle Upex - Independent
Greg Wood - Independent​

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7476255.stm

The Socialist Equality Party is an obscure Trot sect, a fragment of the old WRP sect. Neither wing of Islamo-Trottery has put up a candidate.

 

[danny la rouge]

It is thought to be the highest number of candidates ever to stand at a by-election in recent times.​

Ironic, then, that Labour isn't amongst them, to tell us why we should be happy about their creeping totalitarianism.​

 

[AnatoleF]

It's only ironic in the same sense of the false irony embodied in the lyrics of the song "Isn't It Ironic?" by Alanis Morrissettee - rain on a wedding day isn't irony, particularly here in the East Riding, where it's frankly more likely to happen than not.

It isn't ironic that NewLabour aren't defending their miserable tyranny in H&H - they're fifty-seven pence away from bankruptcy. A month ago I saw Gordon Brown begging for loot under Waterloo Bridge and apparently the NewLabourites are even trying to raise lucre by offering a game of tennis with Bliar in exchange for a luncheon voucher.

Their failure, and Davis's gamble, has handed the seat to the Greens.

Isn't it ironic?

http://shanoakes.typepad.com

 

[butchersapron]

Stop spinning. You sound like a politician. That's rarely a vote winner for an underdog.

The Greens are not going to win the seat, Davis is. The greens though have a great oppourtunity to put themselves on the local map and blow a hole in the idea of Davis and the Tories being the real gaurantors of our civil liberties. No more than that. But they can do that without the politician stuff.

 

[untethered]

Their failure, and Davis's gamble, has handed the seat to the Greens.

The scale of your delusion is quite breathtaking.

Still, if it keeps you out of trouble...