Hollis said:
Never, then!
My uncle has just died at 90, and my dad's 82 in October -- both of them were lifelong atheists just like their dad!! (Socialists too)
I intend to carry on the family tradition ...
greenbelt...christain must fest%*#? anyone been to this..??
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Never, then!
My uncle has just died at 90, and my dad's 82 in October -- both of them were lifelong atheists just like their dad!! (Socialists too)
I intend to carry on the family tradition ...
Hollis
bloody furious
William of Walworth said:Never, then!
My uncle has just died at 90, and my dad's 82 in October -- both of them were lifelong atheists just like their dad!! (Socialists too)
I intend to carry on the family tradition ...
Never say Never William, who knows when the Lord will seek ye out..
EatMoreChips
Fate Amenable To Change
Hollis said:
'rocker' would be a bit off... Kendrick writes happy-clappy worship songs.
Anyway, yeah, I've been, having gone through a very Christian phase until I got to my early 20s. We were on the bill too, just before Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel, I think.
I think the description of it as a 'liberal love-in' isn't too far off. Your typical Southern Baptist type would have more problems relating to it than a wild-eyed anarchist raver, I suspect.
You see a lot of people staggering about the site for a dry festival too. Or at least, if my experiences 13 years ago are anything to go by.
Would I go these days though? Um, not sure.
AverageJoe
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"there are some great christian artists - Low, Nick Cave etc - but most of them would properly have dinner with Satan than go to Greenbelt. it's too insipid for words." - Dubversion
Aren't Low a mormon band?
I went to Greenbelt a few times when I was younger, and to be honest...it's OK. Like anything it depends on who you go with. Although there are no bars you can take your own booze (or at least you could), and most people are there for a good time. Its certainly not worth going to if your idea of a festival is to get shitfaced, but over the last 10 years the festival has made efforts to promote itself less asa a 'Christian' Festival but more of a Festival that is about life - hence the ties with Make Poverty History and Christian Aid, and the lack of reliance on purely Christian acts - which is how Chumbawumba got in (it was the first year of the change in direction iirc - I'm sure a few lessons were learned!)
There are obviously more families there than at other festivals, and whilst there will be a bit of faith demonstration - open air prayer groups, christian bands celebratng Jesus - you kind of know what to expect, and like football fans, its normally only a tiny minority that are zealous enough to intimidate or spoil it for everyone else.
I've had a look at the line up....lets see...Iain Archer. He used to be in Snow Patrol and left before they were famous. So you know what he's going to sound like. While I think about it, thats another thing. The Christian bands that are there on the whole are *very* friendly. Go up and say hello and be nice, and Iain will probably come back to your tent and do an acoustic!
Still, if you're mate is going for free then its got to be better than monging in front of U75 for a weekend. Hasn't it...?
Aren't Low a mormon band?
I went to Greenbelt a few times when I was younger, and to be honest...it's OK. Like anything it depends on who you go with. Although there are no bars you can take your own booze (or at least you could), and most people are there for a good time. Its certainly not worth going to if your idea of a festival is to get shitfaced, but over the last 10 years the festival has made efforts to promote itself less asa a 'Christian' Festival but more of a Festival that is about life - hence the ties with Make Poverty History and Christian Aid, and the lack of reliance on purely Christian acts - which is how Chumbawumba got in (it was the first year of the change in direction iirc - I'm sure a few lessons were learned!)
There are obviously more families there than at other festivals, and whilst there will be a bit of faith demonstration - open air prayer groups, christian bands celebratng Jesus - you kind of know what to expect, and like football fans, its normally only a tiny minority that are zealous enough to intimidate or spoil it for everyone else.
I've had a look at the line up....lets see...Iain Archer. He used to be in Snow Patrol and left before they were famous. So you know what he's going to sound like. While I think about it, thats another thing. The Christian bands that are there on the whole are *very* friendly. Go up and say hello and be nice, and Iain will probably come back to your tent and do an acoustic!
Still, if you're mate is going for free then its got to be better than monging in front of U75 for a weekend. Hasn't it...?
a freind of mine toured with LOW about 5 years ago..she said the couple are mormon, the other member isnt.
does anyone know if nick cave is a really practising christain(if so what church or branch does he follow?) or is he just "spiritual" in general?
maybe i am a bit down on christians and quick to assume they are all right wingers/anti feminist/anti abortion rights/preachy..it is down to my teenage experiences with them.im sure there are sane/happening ones out there but you know i just dont tend to travel in their circles
actually my flatmate(tho non-religious) is teetotal..so that aspect of greenbelt doesnt worry him at all..
your comments are quite positive joe and make sense i guess...andy's freind who invited him is someone he likes hanging out with so on that basis even if he hates most of the acts he may have fun working on the gate with her and her freinds as long as they are cool with the fact that he just doesnt beleive in god(he has tried but you know you cant force yrself to beleive in something)
does anyone know if nick cave is a really practising christain(if so what church or branch does he follow?) or is he just "spiritual" in general?
maybe i am a bit down on christians and quick to assume they are all right wingers/anti feminist/anti abortion rights/preachy..it is down to my teenage experiences with them.im sure there are sane/happening ones out there but you know i just dont tend to travel in their circles
actually my flatmate(tho non-religious) is teetotal..so that aspect of greenbelt doesnt worry him at all..
your comments are quite positive joe and make sense i guess...andy's freind who invited him is someone he likes hanging out with so on that basis even if he hates most of the acts he may have fun working on the gate with her and her freinds as long as they are cool with the fact that he just doesnt beleive in god(he has tried but you know you cant force yrself to beleive in something)
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
BEARBOT said:no im not going..
just worried for my flatmate who was skint+ desperate to get out of london for bank holiday w/e..so he acpected a working ticket to this from an aquaintance who is a god botherer herself but claims lots of people who go arent practising christains.. yeah right...
im just wondering if he will be heavily presurred to be "born again" al la jesus army ..or if the people there are more c of e types and not too preachy with it..?
i asked him who was playing and he mentioned pedro the lion and also bill drummond..he said there were a lot of singer songwriter types as well..
apparently this festival has been around for 30 years....
1. I thought Bill Drummond got out of the music business and is now just an artist.
2. What's he doing at a festival like this?
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
I think the bill drummond thing may be a wind-up. this is a man that produces art called Is God A Cunt?
http://www.penkiln-burn.com/highlights/is_god/is_god.html
http://www.penkiln-burn.com/highlights/is_god/is_god.html
AverageJoe
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Bill Drummond is undoubtably a genius, and will probably be the most interesting thing there this year. As I said above the shift from Christian Festival to a 'Celebration of Life' festival allows a lot more secular artists to appear - although it may turn out that Bill has a Christian faith now. After having achieved so much, its probably a bit boring for him now and he could have found that a faith has filled the gap. Who knows?
Although, this is his latest project and what he will be talking about, with the interesting sub header 'Is God a Cunt?'. Could be fireworks!!!! I wanna go!
"My mind takes a breather from this to follow some other thoughts. These are they. My emotions about God are almost Sunday School simple. God is good. God is responsible for all the things I like, the speckles on a brown trout; the sound of Angus Young’s guitar; the nape of my girlfriend’s neck; the song of the black cap when he returns in spring. I never blame God for all the shit, for the baby Rwandan slaughtered in a casual genocide, the ever-present wars, religious hatred and bigotry and, of course, the bitterness and disappointment, drudgery and misery that fills most of our lives. It’s our job to sort that lot out in payment for the daisies and rainbows. God a cunt? You must be fuckin’ joking. And I can’t suppress the urge to want to thank him constantly.
Yes, all laughably naive, even the fact I think of Him as a him. It’s nothing to do with rational thought or trying to be a better person or anything to make me feel guilty or the idea that there is one true path. No, nothing fully formed or worked out, just an impulse I respond to like the one I have to put my cock up my girlfriend’s cunt and the one I have to write these words down for you to read.
But maybe some people do think God is a cunt. Maybe they should have their say. Maybe it’s my job to provide a bit of room for democracy in all of this telling the people that God is not a cunt."
Taken from here.....http://www.penkiln-burn.com/ which is Bill Drummonds latest project
Although, this is his latest project and what he will be talking about, with the interesting sub header 'Is God a Cunt?'. Could be fireworks!!!! I wanna go!
"My mind takes a breather from this to follow some other thoughts. These are they. My emotions about God are almost Sunday School simple. God is good. God is responsible for all the things I like, the speckles on a brown trout; the sound of Angus Young’s guitar; the nape of my girlfriend’s neck; the song of the black cap when he returns in spring. I never blame God for all the shit, for the baby Rwandan slaughtered in a casual genocide, the ever-present wars, religious hatred and bigotry and, of course, the bitterness and disappointment, drudgery and misery that fills most of our lives. It’s our job to sort that lot out in payment for the daisies and rainbows. God a cunt? You must be fuckin’ joking. And I can’t suppress the urge to want to thank him constantly.
Yes, all laughably naive, even the fact I think of Him as a him. It’s nothing to do with rational thought or trying to be a better person or anything to make me feel guilty or the idea that there is one true path. No, nothing fully formed or worked out, just an impulse I respond to like the one I have to put my cock up my girlfriend’s cunt and the one I have to write these words down for you to read.
But maybe some people do think God is a cunt. Maybe they should have their say. Maybe it’s my job to provide a bit of room for democracy in all of this telling the people that God is not a cunt."
Taken from here.....http://www.penkiln-burn.com/ which is Bill Drummonds latest project
AverageJoe
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Damn your nimble fingers!!!
all i know about drummond's appearance is that he will be giving a talk entitled "how to be an artist"...hope andy doesnt have to work during this, im dying of curiosity about what happens/how it is recieved
ps..pedro the lion arent playing...shame cos they are alright if you like "emo"
ps..pedro the lion arent playing...shame cos they are alright if you like "emo"
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Honestly...
My partner goes, every year, she likes it...I don't mind: don't think Catholics are too welcome!!
If Bill Drummond is going, then I might change my mind--I owe that little shit one, and an auto da fe with him on it would be a sizzler!!
My partner goes, every year, she likes it...I don't mind: don't think Catholics are too welcome!!
If Bill Drummond is going, then I might change my mind--I owe that little shit one, and an auto da fe with him on it would be a sizzler!!
please spill the beans...is it the all night prayer meetings or preachers or people trying to "save yr soul" or is it just the bland/soulness music or dull square people...?
love to hear more ddraig....
i think my flatmate is secretly DREADING it...he missed his 8:10 am train so now has to take a megabus out there instead..
ill post his texted "updates" about drummond etc if anyone is half as curious as me
love to hear more ddraig....
i think my flatmate is secretly DREADING it...he missed his 8:10 am train so now has to take a megabus out there instead..
ill post his texted "updates" about drummond etc if anyone is half as curious as me
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
tbh i have blocked it out 
i went with a girlfriend and her brother who's family were sally army
yes it was the happy clapping and gathering but more the sheer of volumes of IMO "deluded/naive/innocent/in denial" kids and families with the glazed over tory voter/christian look and they way they use it (or not)
also there was a fukin teacher there from our school which freaked me out (explained his glazed expression tho!) and he didn't get off my case for a fair while after, until i got outta dodge.
this was like 16+odd yrs ago mind, phew
damn u urban, for making me remember 
and to think i could've ended up with her
i went with a girlfriend and her brother who's family were sally army
yes it was the happy clapping and gathering but more the sheer of volumes of IMO "deluded/naive/innocent/in denial" kids and families with the glazed over tory voter/christian look and they way they use it (or not)
also there was a fukin teacher there from our school which freaked me out (explained his glazed expression tho!) and he didn't get off my case for a fair while after, until i got outta dodge.
this was like 16+odd yrs ago mind, phew
damn u urban, for making me remember
and to think i could've ended up with her
BadlyDrawnGirl
Piano Tuna
My sister once went to this with a bunch of goth mates (1992 or 3 I think) and Cliff Pilchard was headlining then.Dubversion said:it was fucking shit. i wanted to kill. i was tricked into going, by my friend and my family, and cliff richard headlined.
None were religious, but I guess the premise fitted the imagery in some way...?
hey hollis..my flatmate didnt mind it at all, he said no one offered to save his soul or pray for him which he was dreading to happen...his fave thing by far was bill drummonds talk..there is a beer tent at greenbelt BTW so its no "dry".. apprently everyone fell asleep during ricky ross(deacon blue) set
Hollis said:Looks like we'll get William there yet.
Is it Christian beer?
The beer tent must be a new thing -- the Tiny Tea Tent people (who've been before) were convinced there would be none ...
Backatcha Bandit
is not taking your calls
ddraig said:i like dub have been and don't want to talk about it
i was duped, big style many moons ago tho, being the only saving grace
if you'll excuse the pun
I share your pain.
I, too, was once totally tricked into working there, completely unaware that it was a 'Christian' festival until all the punters arrived.
It was sheer fucking hell. It's like 'nam, or something. No-one understands who wasn't there - I still have a 'thousand yard stare' when I think about it...
Personal highlights included developing a game called 'The Frisby of Ultimate Blasphemy' (you just need a frisby, a few marker pens and a prayer meeting...
) and performing an approximation of the 'Muslim call to prayer' hanging off the mainstage truss with a loudhailer at 5.30 on the Sunday morning. That went down well.
Sounds like you had FUN though!!!!!
I'd PAY you to go and disrupt a Christian festival in that fashion Backatcha!!
Could you do a DJ set in conjunction with the Tiny Tea Tent's system (see my earlier post) -- blasphemous, Godless, Devil-oriented tunes ONLY??
I'd PAY you to go and disrupt a Christian festival in that fashion Backatcha!!
Could you do a DJ set in conjunction with the Tiny Tea Tent's system (see my earlier post) -- blasphemous, Godless, Devil-oriented tunes ONLY??
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