Greatest fascist victory since 1930s : Time for a rethink?
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The Black Hand
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Par for the media course I thought. It's a mistake to think they haven't got a social base too - think charity staff, local government, and so on. There will be a lot of people actually thinking along similar lines as this.
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not true .. which is why i posted the martin wingfield article which was making the excuses before the event .. which i guess you did not read
Do you believe everything the BNP say?
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Joe Reilly
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Briefed by the likes of UAF/Hope not Hate presumably.
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I couldn't imagine Paxman taking advice from anyone really. He probably thought it was going to be a walk in the park.
Joe Reilly
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Remind me?
lewislewis
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Latest anti-fascist news from Wales, the BNP's three Community Councillors on Colwyn Bay Town Council (this is a voluntary council not a proper one- the BNP didn't win any county councillors in Wales, and in fact these community councillors didn't win an election they got in unopposed) have all left the BNP, including their North Wales regional organiser. They appear not to want the baggage of the BNP now that they are councillors and with UAF/Searchlight protests apparently outside the first council meeting.
Of course, the three of them might still have dodgy views but these will now be safely contained within the confines of Colwyn Bay Town Council, a body whose statutory responsibility is the maintenance of the promenade.
Of course, the three of them might still have dodgy views but these will now be safely contained within the confines of Colwyn Bay Town Council, a body whose statutory responsibility is the maintenance of the promenade.
The Black Hand
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Good. Great news - are the bnp gonna be announcing we have "LESS THAN 100 SEATS NOW"????
dennisr
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just copying a post I added to the Lambeth thread:
"that would be a real step forward given the recent discussion on these boards about how to cut across the growth of the hard right
it seems that local 'anti-cuts/anti-privatisation' candidates got some good results - not just the Huddersfield Save Our NHS candidate - an SP member - who narrowly missed becoming another councillor in that borough [already have one councillor there] - halving the BNPs local vote in the process but the likes of that fireman standing against the establishment parties in Gloucester (33.4%) and the bloke in Barrow - the anti-acadamies fella - who beat the tory council leader (they narrowly missed another by one vote as well). Combining electoral and mobilising politics would be useful - the electoral folk provide a base around which the non-electoral work can also be built."
I did not know about all these results earlier - but they are worth reporting
"that would be a real step forward given the recent discussion on these boards about how to cut across the growth of the hard right
it seems that local 'anti-cuts/anti-privatisation' candidates got some good results - not just the Huddersfield Save Our NHS candidate - an SP member - who narrowly missed becoming another councillor in that borough [already have one councillor there] - halving the BNPs local vote in the process but the likes of that fireman standing against the establishment parties in Gloucester (33.4%) and the bloke in Barrow - the anti-acadamies fella - who beat the tory council leader (they narrowly missed another by one vote as well). Combining electoral and mobilising politics would be useful - the electoral folk provide a base around which the non-electoral work can also be built."
I did not know about all these results earlier - but they are worth reporting
The Black Hand
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For those still in denial of the fact that Barnbrook elected (as most of the left still are) see the man in his full glory on the live webcast. Whteher we want him there or not, he is there
http://www.london.gov.uk/assembly/webcasts.jsp
YRE demo outide City Hall this morning attracted total of 17 people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7390915.stm
http://www.london.gov.uk/assembly/webcasts.jsp
YRE demo outide City Hall this morning attracted total of 17 people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7390915.stm
I dont think it is permitted to post direct links to the BNP website, but search for the pre election analysis of John Bean in particular.
There is a huge diference between hope to do well,and expect to do well.
It also says something of the expectations of the right and left. Some of the lefty groups seems quite satisfied with 10% votes in council polls- they expect, one day, to take power
dennisr
the acceptable face
You seem to be going off the deep end a bit Jim.
Don't blame everybody else for the illusions you helped sow by parroting the SWP line for so long. I was surprised when you started doing it - before hand you seeming pretty sharp - now you are going off at another more predictable angle. Do you really have to join the long line of ex-Swappies who have had a 'revelation' - by condemning people who were pointing out the limitations of the very things you were then parroting?
17 people - not bad at 9am on a weekday with do mobilisation. gets the publicity
dennisr
the acceptable face
yes, some of us remember when you were saying as much yourself, Jim
(going through your 'respect' phase)I have already said I was wrong for accepting the views of those who said the primary tactics in London- namely upping the percentage vote to keep them out- were, on reflection mistaken. I dont think any left or antifascist group can say " our tactics were right, its all the fault of the other lot"
As it is, cultural events like the mainly SWP organised Victoria Park Carnival are part of the solution, but only part
dennisr
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Fair enough - I'd agree with your point about no group (let alone left group) being able to say 'it was all their fault' - but when you are talking about the 'left in denial' you are talking about the SWP arn't you?
a spades a spade so call it a spade
there is no quick easy or short-term solution to the growth of the hard right vote - thats part of the problem - folk are still looking for one. I still don't think I am wrong for putting forward the need for a political alternative - I've put a couple of examples above - to cut across the protest vote in the face of a vacuam that the BNP are gaining from - do you think that view is 'in denial'?
No, the whole lot are in denial, from the SWP, UAF, SP, to Searchlight, as well as many independant antifascists, who are conning themselves that this really is not a clear and undeniable breakthrough for them.
As to the political alternative, well, in the absence of that political alternative, other tactics need to be tried. I just cant see any moves towards this alternative being created in England
dennisr
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Then - like a said earlier you have simply moved in another predictable direction and you are throwing out the baby with the bath-water.
I'll wait and see how your view develops - if and when you start coming up with some proposals and possible solutions
what was you answer to my last question?
If you like you could maybe expand on your view that the SP is conning itself? - up to you like...
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Might be?
It wasn't reported that their supporters on that day threatened violence and that, according to the report, the police ignored the threats.
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