greater manchester police seek water cannon

[detective-boy]

i can read his post same as you.

You can look at it the same as me. You probably even see it the same as me. But I doubt very much whether you read it the same as me ...

My point was that as all profits are passed onto the shareholders then the same would apply to losses.

Absolute complete and utter, naive bollocks.

You clearly haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about (I don't pretend to be an expert on economics ... but it's little more than common sense that's needed to see that) so I suggest you go have a little read up and think about it before posting anything else which demonstrates your ignorance.

 

[tar1984]

Uh hu, but under capitalism people are always going to 'get hurt', and some protesters causing a bit of disruption is small beer compared to the misery caused by companies shutting down "unprofitable" workplaces, or banks collapsing, recessions, whatever...

I don't know how you can have a go at anti-capitalists because their actions *could* cause some shareholders to pass on losses to consumers and employees (which i would still blame the shareholders for), while supporting the capitalist status quo which causes suffering on a much bigger scale.

 

[tar1984]

You can look at it the same as me. You probably even see it the same as me. But I doubt very much whether you read it the same as me ...


Absolute complete and utter, naive bollocks.

You clearly haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about (I don't pretend to be an expert on economics ... but it's little more than common sense that's needed to see that) so I suggest you go have a little read up and think about it before posting anything else which demonstrates your ignorance.

Why don't you tell me what was wrong with the point, rather than insulting me and repeatedly posting rolleyes smileys?

I admitted a couple of pages ago that yes, i am fairly ignorant when it comes to a lot of this stuff, im not pretending to be an expert...but your response seems to just be "well thats bullshit", without explaining why...

You don't do much to challenge the stereotype of all coppers being fucking tossers do you?

 

[detective-boy]

... some protesters causing a bit of disruption is small beer compared to the misery caused by companies shutting down "unprofitable" workplaces, or banks collapsing, recessions, whatever...

I never said it wasn't ... I simply challenged your naive statement that it was only going to damage the pockets of the fat cat bosses and the shareholders (who you seemed not to realise included lots of "ordinary people" and the interests of many millions more of them). By all means justify the losses and disruption caused by a protest ... but make sure you know what exactly those losses are, and for whom.

I don't know how you can have a go at anti-capitalists because their actions *could* cause some shareholders to pass on losses to consumers and employees (which i would still blame the shareholders for), while supporting the capitalist status quo which causes suffering on a much bigger scale.

I don't. I simply ask that you recognise that instead of claiming that the only people you will hurt are fat cats.

There is a huge amount about our current system which I despise and would like to see ended tomorrow (not least utterly ridiculous and unjustifiable salaries, something which applies in football, etc. too) ... but I think it is simplistic and naive in the extreme to believe that we could organise a society on the scale we now are without some aspects of what is called capitalism and that to throw out everything we now have would be to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I believe, for instance, that there is a time and a place for using capital to assist someone build their own business when they don't have the funding available themselves ... and so without the use of capital they would not grow and create jobs for others. It is the extremes of our current system, and the abuses, which we need to remove until we reach a point where there is a reasonable balance between the interests of all.

 

[detective-boy]

Why don't you tell me what was wrong with the point, rather than insulting me and repeatedly posting rolleyes smileys?

If you read your posts on this thread you will see that you waded in with "the streets belong to the people" and other bullshit cliches and gave absolutely no indication that you wished to engage in any sort of discussion of the pros and cons of the points raised by Azrael and others, not just me.

I admitted a couple of pages ago that yes, i am fairly ignorant when it comes to a lot of this stuff, im not pretending to be an expert...but your response seems to just be "well thats bullshit", without explaining why...

I hadn't noticed that, sorry. I look forward to reading your reasoned responses to the points I have raised.

You don't do much to challenge the stereotype of all coppers being fucking tossers do you?

And you don't do much to challenge the stereotype of all anti-capitalism / anarchist protestors being ill-informed, ignorant ranters who have not thought through their argument at all, do you?

 

[The39thStep]

I didn't mean physically attack people, I meant if you can throw a spanner in the works of the smooth running of the economy, shut down the city for a day or whatever, then it's going to hurt the shareholders and the PTB.

have you actually ever read marx or Engels despite name checking them with your user name?If you had I think you would find that they had a slightly more serious conclusion than lets have a demo and shut the city down. This sort of piffle is only one step away from the anarchist fetishism with wanting a riot

 

[Das Uberdog]

It's true enough though - you shut the city down, it would cost millions.

Regardless, tar, it should be noted that no-one seriously expects the 'shutting down of the city' to be the 'method' by which the revolution is achieved, as opposed to some kind of by-product to the mass striking and whatnot...

 

[likesfish]

The smash the state at all cost posturing is complete bollocks.
somebody with a more functioning collection of braincells would'nt make themselves look like complete tits on tv

 

[The39thStep]

It's true enough though - you shut the city down, it would cost millions.

Regardless, tar, it should be noted that no-one seriously expects the 'shutting down of the city' to be the 'method' by which the revolution is achieved, as opposed to some kind of by-product to the mass striking and whatnot...

Is there a date for this mass striking and what not or is it part of a draft action plan in someones head?

 

[tar1984]

It's true enough though - you shut the city down, it would cost millions.

Regardless, tar, it should be noted that no-one seriously expects the 'shutting down of the city' to be the 'method' by which the revolution is achieved, as opposed to some kind of by-product to the mass striking and whatnot...

Yes of course. I might be naive but im not stupid.