Great Western Railway electrification 'four years late'

Discussion in 'transport' started by editor, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    There's no way Brunel or the REAL GWR would be this useless.

    Great Western Railway electrification 'four years late' - BBC News
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  2. pseudonarcissus

    pseudonarcissus fluttering and dancing

    Brunel (Isambard) was a salesman, as well as a great engineer. Read about the launch of the Great Eastern and you might not have so much confidence in his ability to deliver on time and to budget . Brunel (Marc) was famous for going bankrupt.
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  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    He achieved a fair bit along the way, and unlike these fucking franchise sharks tinkering around with a system that is already established, he was making things from scratch and at the cutting edge of innovation in some ventures - so of course there was failures along the way.
  4. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    It's got nothing to do with GWR.........
  5. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    There are numerous very good reasons why major construction projects take a lot longer then they used to, not least because we have a somewhat less cavalier approach to the lives of construction workers these days.

    Its also a lot easier to build from scratch then it is around an existing service. The redevelopment of London Bridge is a good example, what they are trying to achieve there is an extraordinary feat of engineering - building a new station on the site of the old one whilst the old one is still open. Add to that its happening on top of a warren of Victorian subways and tunnels which were never designed to hold the mass they want to put above it, you can see why these things take forever.

    The real question is why initial predictions are so often badly out on time-scale and cost. I suspect part of this is the 'unknowns' that appear but I also think a lot of it is deliberate, its in a lot of people's interest to over-promise because once the project has been started it will finish regardless of cost. My company are doing a lot of work with Crossrail (also behind) at the moment and its a real eye opener to how large government infrastructure projects are run.
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  6. LeslieB

    LeslieB Banned Banned

    Because all the money is going into HS bloody 2?

    I'm getting similarly impatient with the midland mainline electrification. Will that happen this side of doomsday I wonder?
  7. stdP

    stdP I never learn.

    When they finally reconfigured the last stretch of the GWR to change from broad to standard guage in 1892... they managed to do it in a single weekend. That's all the railway between Paddington and Bristol/Exeter, 180 miles or so IIRC, being relaid in the space of two days.

    I don't think GWR put on any railway replacement buses though.
  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Part of it has now been turned on

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  9. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    We came through from Paddington to Reading on the relief lines yesterday evening, and I did wonder if they were up to something. Great news that it's moving forward, albeit rather slower than it should have been.
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  10. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Rail update: rail investment in the Great Western route - Written statements to Parliament - GOV.UK

    So no electric trains to Temple Meads for the foreseeable. They've brought all the bi-mode trains to the front of the order, so they can just about put a brave face on it, but this is basically "we give up" for electrification of the GWR. Look forward to the same thing happening to other electrification projects.
  11. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    The first three are daft, but electrifying the Slough - Windsor line would been a monumental waste of money.
  12. General Veers

    General Veers Active Member

    Kings Cross to Leeds, Newcastle and Edinburgh was done much quicker and for far less in relative terms. That's because it was done properly under British Rail.

    The Great Western electrification is a farce, contractors dropping bollocks all over the place and big gaps where there are no masts or wires at all.
  13. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    "Properly"? The ECML electrification was done on the cheap, the ramifications of which we are still living with today.
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  14. General Veers

    General Veers Active Member

    Class 91 electric locomotives and Mark 4 stock have been running up and down the East Coast Main for nearly quarter of a century so it can't be that bad.
  15. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    When they aren't stuck somewhere because the lines have come down.
  16. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

  17. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  18. Tories in not giving a fuck about a place they don't give a fuck about shocker.

    1% of rail funding when Wales has 6% of the network. Wankers.
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  19. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Network Rail were totally fucking this up. Cancellation is an act of mercy.
    Crying crying shame.
  20. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Diesel, hmm, thought we were being told diesel is now evil.
  21. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Evasion in action:

    Tonia Antoniazzi (Gower) (Lab)
    What steps he is taking to electrify the rail network to Swansea and further west. [900455]

    The Secretary of State for Transport (Chris Grayling)
    I congratulate the hon. Lady on her election to this House. Electrification work is continuing on the Great Western main line, but the good news for her constituents and others in south Wales is that the new generation of electric trains will arrive in Cardiff and Swansea this autumn, providing more seats and better journey experiences. That is good news for rail users in south Wales and the west country.
  22. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Is it really that hard? Stick some steel beams in the ground and drape some cables over them ffs - most countries seem to manage it. Perhaps we should appeal for state aid from Putin or something.
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  23. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    Er it's not that simple.......
  24. Well you have to plug it in to get the electricity flowing, not much more though.
  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It was a bad idea all along, apparently.

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  26. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Those trains are an expensive cludge. Heavy and complicated, and banking their woes for the future. If electrification is such a waste of time, why does every other country do it?

    The project failed because the skills have atrophied.

    Form a dedicated team with a reliable annual budget and set them to electrifying the country. Start small and build up. Not over-engineered mega projects, just an investment in skills. It'll pay off in the long run.
  27. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    "Investment in skills? You mean, like paying them to learn things without the opportunity for some shady qualifications mill to rake off great chunks of profit? And with skills, they'll be harder to replace with work experience and zero hours contract types. Nah, I leave 'investment' to my stockbroker. Let's get the Chinese to do all that outside in the rain stuff"
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  28. Chilli.s

    Chilli.s changed the little words

    Here's a clue as to why this didn't go so well:

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    Took the money and ran.
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  29. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Still no date:

    No date set for electric trains to reach Cardiff Central
  30. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Yet another year to wait

    Rail electrification from London to Cardiff will be another year

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