Gran Torino

[Diamond]

It was done so badly that it undermined all the previous work put in to establishing his blue collar credentials - the banter was weak and inacurate.

And you 'blatently don't agree'?

Got much experience of Detroit blue collar banter?

 

[butchersapron]

I've got experience of UK blue collar banter, far more than you. Same process.

Look, i think it was good film undermined by one scene - the defences of that scene on here are not very good.

 

[internetstalker]

Gran Torino - fuckin' amazing. Film was essentially about race and change - the death of the old generation replaced by the new. Man, so many themes told well...Eastwood is such a good storyteller.

Anyone else seen it?

just downloaded this onto me xbox

gonna be watching it in the next couple of days!

 

[internetstalker]

To be fair, according to Spike Lee *every* fucker is racist apart from him.

Even DC's mum

DC's mum aint racist

she'll have anybody!!

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I thought it was a good film. He's had a quite remarkable late-in-life run of good film making IMO. Most people would be in slippers smoking a pipe by his age.

 

[lunatrick]

It was done so badly that it undermined all the previous work put in to establishing his blue collar credentials - the banter was weak and inacurate.

And you 'blatently don't agree'?

no I 'blatantly' don't agree. get it right. idiot. I enjoyed that scene, and in general thought the film was thought provoking and better than most of the crap comng out of hollywood at the moment.

 

[butchersapron]

I just did 'get it right'.

Don't hang your love of the film on that scene for fucks sake. It was blatently written by some who was told that this is what b/c guys talk like, do that - and it was fake as fuckeroo.

Jesus wept, you can't diasgree with someone without all this abuse - no points, no argument. Why not?

 

[lunatrick]

no idea what your on about...I like the film, agree to disagree. I've never heard the word 'fuckeroo' either. bye.

 

[Gingerman]

Clint is a master of blue language, if we want to call it that; or I suppose we should say that the writers he works with or chooses are. But a big part is in the delivery. I think that some of the best examples of this are seen in some of Clint's dialogue in Heartbreak Ridge.

"Drop your cocks and grab your socks",on my list of guilty pleasure filums

 

[Gingerman]

I thought it was a good film. He's had a quite remarkable late-in-life run of good film making IMO. Most people would be in slippers smoking a pipe by his age.

One of those lucky buggers who is ageing quite well,still looks pretty formable at 79

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I've got experience of UK blue collar banter, far more than you. Same process.

Look, i think it was good film undermined by one scene - the defences of that scene on here are not very good.

I'd agree with you that even though Clint can be good at this sort of thing, that one scene was weak on the writing. There is a comfort level in that sort of blue collar testosterone banter that wasn't present in the scene. It felt wrong.

 

[Orang Utan]

just watched this and enjoyed it a lot.
maybe i misunderstood the barbershop scene but i thought it was there to illustrate that walt didn't have much of a clue on how to deal with people - in a way it's his warmest scene of all and it's just him awkwardly insulting his barber and mistaking his repartee for friendly banter when the fella probably just hates him.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

One of those lucky buggers who is ageing quite well,still looks pretty formable at 79

Yup.

 

[isitme]

i think the barbershop scene was trying to make a point at the expense of the dialogue to be honest (about 'racist' banter and how it isn't always a product of ignorance or hatred etc)

i still thought it was a crease when they were giving each other all the abuse and when the kid tries to join in the guy pulls his gun on him

 

[butchersapron]

just watched this and enjoyed it a lot.
maybe i misunderstood the barbershop scene but i thought it was there to illustrate that walt didn't have much of a clue on how to deal with people - in a way it's his warmest scene of all and it's just him awkwardly insulting his barber and mistaking his repartee for friendly banter when the fella probably just hates him.

You're on the wrong scene i think - we're on about when he brings the kid to talk like a man.

..and you've misread the orignal scene as well!!

 

[Orang Utan]

yeah, cos it's out of order, surely? no-one would put up with that in real life.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

just watched this and enjoyed it a lot.
maybe i misunderstood the barbershop scene but i thought it was there to illustrate that walt didn't have much of a clue on how to deal with people - in a way it's his warmest scene of all and it's just him awkwardly insulting his barber and mistaking his repartee for friendly banter when the fella probably just hates him.

But the lie is put to that idea, when Walt and the barber team up to help the boy 'be a man'.

 

[Orang Utan]

You're on the wrong scene i think - we're on about when he brings the kid to talk like a man.

..and you've misread the orignal scene as well!!

i was thinking of both scenes

 

[butchersapron]

yeah, cos it's out of order, surely? no-one would put up with that in real life.

Put up with mutal banter? Sure they would. And that's where the writing fell down - it was just people abusing each other. Doesn't work like that.

 

[Orang Utan]

But the lie is put to that idea, when Walt and the barber team up to help the boy 'be a man'.

it didn't sit well with me. as i said, nobody racially insults their barber and thinks of it as friendly banter. do they? maybe in america i suppose. you wouldn't here for sure.

 

[butchersapron]

i was thinking of both scenes

Same point then

 

[Orang Utan]

Put up with mutal banter? Sure they would. And that's where the writing fell down - it was just people abusing each other. Doesn't work like that.

banter, yeah, but not abuse.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Put up with mutal banter? Sure they would. And that's where the writing fell down - it was just people abusing each other. Doesn't work like that.

Imo, there is a certain affection present in that blue collar banter. It's how certain males express affection to each other. That wasn't present in the Walt/barber banter.

 

[butchersapron]

it didn't sit well with me. as i said, nobody racially insults their barber and thinks of it as friendly banter. do they? maybe in america i suppose. you wouldn't here for sure.

The whole point was that it wasn't racial abuse, it was a modus vivendi built out of decades of experience. A way of getting on. Not abuse.

 

[Orang Utan]

it reminded me of that scene in nathan barley in which he says 'what's up my nigga' to the asian shopkeeper.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

it didn't sit well with me. as i said, nobody racially insults their barber and thinks of it as friendly banter. do they? maybe in america i suppose. you wouldn't here for sure.

Not here either. When I think back to my blue collar days, the banter usually involved either sexual insults, slights on the other person's intelligence, etc, but not racial insults.

 

[Orang Utan]

The whole point was that it wasn't racial abuse, it was a modus vivendi built out of decades of experience. A way of getting on. Not abuse.

i read it as plain abuse and that walt just can't read people

 

[butchersapron]

Imo, there is a certain affection present in that blue collar banter. It's how certain males express affection to each other. That wasn't present in the Walt/barber banter.

Yep, and that was my whole problem with it - it was like two unfamilioar people suddenly saying that shit to each other - there was no affection built though shared experinence as far as i could see.

 

[Orang Utan]

Not here either. When I think back to my blue collar days, the banter usually involved either sexual insults, slights on the other person's intelligence, etc, but not racial insults.

yep

 

[butchersapron]

i read it as plain abuse and that walt just can't read people

You're wrong then