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Govt propose extending uncharged detention limit to 42 Days

it won't get any better though, not through Parliament it won't. People thought that the clamp downs on civil liberties perpetrated by the Thatcher and Major governments would somehow be relieved by Labour.

Brown's inevitable demise won't change a fucking thing. You watch Cameron forget to repeal any of this and then make it even worse first excuse he gets
 
Also, did anybody see the footage when one of the guys from the DUP was being questioned on whether or not they had been bribed?

His eyes were moving like a messed-up compass when the question was put to him...

Edit: Do you really think he won't repeal it? If you do, let's hope to fuck it isn't passed through the lords and that they see sense.
 
it won't get any better though, not through Parliament it won't. People thought that the clamp downs on civil liberties perpetrated by the Thatcher and Major governments would somehow be relieved by Labour.

Brown's inevitable demise won't change a fucking thing. You watch Cameron forget to repeal any of this and then make it even worse first excuse he gets

Oh I believe that, for sure. Anyone who thinks Cameron would really be better on civil liberties should look at the record of Michael Howard and the other vampires that Cameron keeps company with.
 
Edit: Do you really think he won't repeal it? If you do, let's hope to fuck it isn't passed through the lords and that they see sense.

I don't think it, I know it. He's a politician, they don't give up any powers over us unless it's beaten out of them.
 
On the first of April, legislation came in which transferred the duty of closing streets for a demonstration from the police to the councils.
Nish. Much as it pains me to defend the government, there is no such legislation, because:

(a) The police have never had a specific duty/power to close streets for planned events.
(b) The power of local councils to do so was conferred variously by the Town Police Clauses Act 1847, Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, the Road Traffic Regulation (Special Events) Act 1994, and the Traffic Management Act 2004.
(c) The power to charge for some of these closures was granted in the Local Authorities (Transport Charges) Regulations 1998.
(d) But the charges can only apply to "sporting, social, or entertainment events".

A group of children along with a few adults in Salford, demonstrated against the closing of their school. The council has sent them a bill for £2000.00 to cover the costs of road closures. This is a very nasty piece of legislation.
The Salford situation seems to have been a fuck up by the "Urban Vision Partnership", the private company that appears to run much of the city:
http://www.salford.gov.uk/council/corporate/urbanvision/abouturbanvision.htm

It probably also relates to police attempts to clawback costs from event organisers, since the Police Act 1996.
 
The misinformation mill was running in overdrive. We were told by Blunkett that in 3 cases, "nearly all of the current 28 days were needed". But I heard on the radio a Liberty spokesperson saying that in the case of the person charged closest to the limit, the information used in the charge had actually been gathered by the 12th day.
 
I just wrote to Diane Abbott, my MP to thank her for trying.:(

A whole year of campaigning and we lost.:o
Our liberties sold.:mad:
Fuckers.:mad:


Come on the unelected Lords, saviours of democracy.:p
 
Come on the unelected Lords, saviours of democracy.:p

Indeed. I hope those few remaining people who think reform of the Lords (as proposed by this Government) is a good thing realise that the Lords has been far, far more effective at protecting our freedoms than the shower in the Commons.

Dianne Abbott did give one of her best speeches yesterday, its just a shame that more than 300 of those who sit on the same side of the chamber as she are spineless and unworthy of either being part of Labour, or being MPs.

As an aside, Brown (at his press conference) has just - on at least two occasions - accused journalists of not taking terrorism seriously, because they questioned whether this was justified.... to entirely understandable outrage from various journos. He also claimed that noone was offered any deal for voting in favour of this bill, something that hopefully will be exposed in the hours / days to come.
 
While all you lot are sending letters, please direct your letters in particular to this chap, who has admitted to backing the 42 days, solely on the grounds to save Brown's ass. Fucking helll

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newsw...l&template=/news/feeds/story-template-pa.html

Voting for one person, ignoring millions of others. Great politican...

Tbh it's hard to believe the same consideration didn't get quite a few Labour backbenchers to support the government. At least Mitchell's honest enough to admit it. Bunch of spineless twats, the lot of them.

I used to be strongly in favour of Lords reform. Now I really don't think I am, 'cos agricola is quite right. They've done far more than the Commons to protect some very fundamental and hard-won liberties.
 
Haha, Brown is getting screwed for this by the press. Very rare for journos to actually be doing their job :confused:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/06/gordon_browns_press_conference_3.html

Yep - its one thing to make allegations of being soft on terror at other MPs, but its entirely different to make the same allegations to a roomful of people who already dislike you and have the means to take immediate revenge across the entire world.

I cant think of too many times when I have entirely agreed with Quentin Letts, but today was one of those days. Lets hope they tear him and his party to bits.
 
Is it because the government anticipate greater civil unrest in future and want to have the right laws available to control the masses?

Or is it used as a crude policing tool, eg to intimidate people into ceasing disruptive protests, by telling them how long they could be detained for if they dont cooperate?

Exactamundo very fucking sketchy, end of oil, impending disruption, 42 day detention .....:hmm::(
 
I've just (belatedly) written another letter to my MP expressing my general pissed-offness with the situation:

Dear Dr. Vis,

I am writing to you to express my outrage at the government’s attitude to civil liberties. I have on several occasions previously written or spoken to you on this issue, most recently on 19th November last year. Since then, the government has succeeded by the most meretricious cajolery, bribery, and strong-arm tactics in compelling the Commons to pass a number of measures repugnant to civil liberties, not least of which is the extension of the possible pre-charge detention period in terrorism cases to forty-two days.

Both in the run-up to this, and during the subsequent run-up to this pernicious Bill’s appearance in the Lords and the upcoming by-election in Haltemprice and Howden, the government’s attitude to its opponents has been nothing short of despicable. The galloping authoritarianism and arrogance of this government and its members has become such that anyone who questions the iniquities proposed in the name of counter-terrorism seems to be regarded as little better than a terrorist themselves. The most crass and puerile calumnies are routinely levelled at principled defenders of civil liberties, including, most notably, the recent comments made by Andy Burnham. All of this speaks of a government which sees no need to explain itself to the electorate, does not think itself accountable, and has become so enamoured of its own power as to consider anyone disagreeing with it as a potential threat.

The desire to serve, which ministers profess in their speeches, seems to me to be pure hypocrisy when compared with the way in which they discharge their offices. Proposals are regularly brought forward in order to reduce entitlement to state assistance or to aid the encroachment of the private sector in the public services. The criminal occupation of Iraq continues unabated. And in every pronouncement from the Home and Justice Secretaries, a new reason for extending already-considerable state and executive power seems to appear; whether the problem it supposedly combats is real or invented. This government is not, as it should be, a safeguard to freedom, but an active impediment to it.

Yours is a party which introduced numerous positive social measures including the decriminalisation of homosexuality and of abortion, and the abolition of the death penalty, yet these measures seem to have gulled too many into thinking that something is good simply because it is the Labour Party doing it. You must decide whether you wish your party’s legacy to be the creation of a tolerant society with adequate public service provision for all in need, or the final demise of Magna Carta and associated liberties built up during the intervening centuries, and the placing of public services into the rapacious hands of the market.

Yours sincerely,

It won't do any good of course, but at least I get to say it to someone who's paid to pretend to care.
 
Spot on. Unfortunately, the people in government know this already. They know the power that fearmongering can give them and they evidently don't give a fuck about the incredibly dodgy historical precedents for such behaviour, still less the fact that it is dishonest and downright wrong.

fucking right, and great letter from original poster
 
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