Govt propose extending uncharged detention limit to 42 Days

[SpookyFrank]

So apart from the war on terror reasons for this legislation, whivh never seem to stand up to much scrutiny, why else does this sort of thing get put onto the books?

Is it because there is actually quite a lot of public support for this if the question is phrased right, because people think it will always be used on actual terrorists?

Is it because the government anticipate greater civil unrest in future and want to have the right laws available to control the masses?

Or is it used as a crude policing tool, eg to intimidate people into ceasing disruptive protests, by telling them how long they could be detained for if they dont cooperate?

From the extent to which existing terrorism laws have already been used to curtail peaceful protest, freedom of speech, freedom of information etc I reckon it's safe to say these new powers will be abused left right and centre before the ink is dry on the statute book.

 

[shagnasty]

My mp dismore led the revolt but it is only recently that this change as happened .hendon was a safe tory seat since the landslide of 45 but his majority is down to three thousand so he must be shitting himself now and serves him bloody right

 

[El Jefe]

Unfuckingbelievable

 

[JTG]

Unfuckingbelievable

it's not though is it. it's entirely believable

what's unbelievable is that anybody has illusions in liberal democracy anymore. it's shit and doesn't fucking work.

 

[Brainaddict]

I've got a new election slogan for these cunts:

New Labour: repealing Magna Carta one line at a time.
Because 800 years of freedom is quite long enough.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Even though I completely hated brown and new labour, there was always some part of me that felt sorry for him because he's been unlucky with the economy and he's basically a bit of a moron, and isnt doing well because he's not photogenic.

Any tiny shred of sympathy I had for him has dissapeared. I hate the tories but just bring them on to see him fucked.

He has not been unlucky with the economy, he has been grossly incompetent with the economy.

 

[danny la rouge]

... and the reason this was passed? Not because it was the right thing to do, but because it was made into a confidence vote on Gordon Brown by the whips and media it seems. Fucking idiots.

Indeed. That's how it was covered, and that's how this being passed is being reported. Never mind the fact that the very building block of justice and freedom is dead and gone. Habeas corpus is a has-been corpse.

New Labour: repealing Magna Carta one line at a time.
Because 800 years of freedom is quite long enough.

I'm emailing that to my MP.

 

[Nemo]

My mp dismore led the revolt but it is only recently that this change as happened .hendon was a safe tory seat since the landslide of 45 but his majority is down to three thousand so he must be shitting himself now and serves him bloody right

Dismore is a cunt, no question; just a cunt who happens to be right. I note that my MP (Rudi Vis) has failed to vote against the government in spite of what he has said and written to me on the issue. Better get ready to draft (another) letter; especially if it turns out that he backed it.

 

[Homeless Mal]

This is so dangerous it is hard to say anything. If I don't post for 42 days send someone to look for me. No-one is innocent anymore. We all face persecution under the new terrorism laws.

As the delightful Geena Davis said: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

[Sasaferrato]

From the extent to which existing terrorism laws have already been used to curtail peaceful protest, freedom of speech, freedom of information etc I reckon it's safe to say these new powers will be abused left right and centre before the ink is dry on the statute book.

On the first of April, legislation came in which transferred the duty of closing streets for a demonstration from the police to the councils. A group of children along with a few adults in Salford, demonstrated against the closing of their school. The council has sent them a bill for £2000.00 to cover the costs of road closures. This is a very nasty piece of legislation.

 

[SpookyFrank]

On the first of April, legislation came in which transferred the duty of closing streets for a demonstration from the police to the councils. A group of children along with a few adults in Salford, demonstrated against the closing of their school. The council has sent them a bill for £2000.00 to cover the costs of road closures. This is a very nasty piece of legislation.

Fuck that

 

[Sasaferrato]

Fuck that

It has immense implications; slipped through unnoticed.

 

[SpookyFrank]

It has immense implications; slipped through unnoticed.

This government is not only evil but really stupid. If they had any sense they'd do what quote unquote democratic states have done since god knows when; allow people to protest as much as they like and then simply ignore them. Let everyone quietly use up their energies shouting at a brick wall and soon enough disillusionment will set in and they'll just put up with whatever it is they were protesting about.

Criminalise peaceful protest however, send FIT pigs to spy on protesters and charge people stupid amounts for excercising the right to free speech in a public place, and you're shoving chewing gum in the dump valve. Not clever. All you're doing there is depriving people of a harmless and rather quaint way for them to vent their frustrations and feel like their views somehow matter to the powers that be. At the same time you're making it incredibly difficult for them to pretend to themselves that they live in some approximation of a free country.

You see Gordon, I despise you and all your kind and everything you stand for and would gladly shoot you in the face if I thought I could get away with it; but still I pity you so much that I'm willing to give you some honest advice: Don't take down the scenery while the audience is still sitting quietly.

 

[Woollyredhat]

This whole thing is ridicolous, but the sad thing is, it's not going to get better is it? This is only a sign of things to come, the 21st century is going to see shit-loads more of shocking legislation that is justified by goverments as it is in the best interests of the public....

If Brown and all those brillant mps who voted in favour of this, if they had any brains between them, they would realise that this piece of legislation goes beyond belief, in fact I am sure deep down they know it is unjust. Somebody on Sky news stated that it shows that Brown has his principles in not backing down in reguards to this. If he had actually been the bigger man and said, actually, this is wrong, I regret my decision and I will not back this 42 days detention limit, that would show he truly has principles, that he doesn't pass things just for the sake of his image.
This will be a day Brown and all those who voted in favour of this, will live to regret.


I was watching a debate on this a few weeks ago, on the BBC, in which one mp who was against the 42-days argued that rather than extend it to two weeks, they should alter the existing legislation which allows suspects to be held 28 days, but if charged no more questioning, to exclude this measure, so they CAN continue to question after the suspect has been charged.
Whoever decided that no more questioning should follow after charging them should resign from their post....


Let's hope that the Lord's does reject this unjust law and if not they, the European court, but if it manages to pass all of them, then I wish not to think about that.

 

[JTG]

I remember when the CJA was a truly shocking piece of legislation. Just laying the ground for this bollocks.

 

[Blagsta]

I've just sent this to my MP, using http://www.writetothem.com/

Dear Tessa Jowell,

So New Labour have just overturned nearly 800 years of history by voting for 42 days of internment without trial.

By removing our freedoms, you're doing the terrorists' job for them.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

I hope you feel proud of our government today. I certainly don't.

Yours sincerely,

Blagsta

 

[frogwoman]

Excellent letter danny

 

[frogwoman]

cunts!!

 

[Brainaddict]

I'm emailing that to my MP.

Use it as much as you like

It would look pretty good on a sticker don't you think? A mock campaign sticker all done out in the New Labour colours (are they still doing purple?). With a picture of that useless fuck Brown on it. Yes, I like the idea of this. Anyone have a sticker machine?

 

[danny la rouge]

Excellent letter danny

Thank you. Sadly, my local Labour MP wasn't at home to reasoned argument. No, she overturned Magna Carta because Gordon needed to do something about his reputation for dithering.

Jesus.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

On the first of April, legislation came in which transferred the duty of closing streets for a demonstration from the police to the councils. A group of children along with a few adults in Salford, demonstrated against the closing of their school. The council has sent them a bill for £2000.00 to cover the costs of road closures. This is a very nasty piece of legislation.

It's as if the country is becoming a satirical sketch show version of itself. You couldn't write this stuff. Are we fucking dreaming? Bedtime.

 

[Woollyredhat]

New Labour: repealing Magna Carta one line at a time.
Because 800 years of freedom is quite long enough.

lol that is actually a great slogan.

Oh yeah, I love the timing of this, some documents that were top secret, detailing accounts of Al Qaeda and the Iraqi security forces among other things were left on a train today. These are the bloodly things that should be prevented from happening, these are things that are of national security, focus on protecting top secret documents and the like instead of more days for an already outrageous amount of detention time.

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh yeah, I love the timing of this, some documents that were top secret, detailing accounts of Al Qaeda and the Iraqi security forces among other things were left on a train today.

I wonder if the guy who lost them will be held for 42 days?

 

[Cid]

It still has to get through the lords and I seriously doubt they'll let it...

Mind you it's scary that so many voted for it, especially can't believe people saying 'well didn't agree but we need to support Brown', not when he's trying to strip down our most fundamental human fucking rights you don't! Fucking hell!

 

[danny la rouge]

It still has to get through the lords and I seriously doubt they'll let it...

The Commons can overrule the Lords, IIRC.

 

[Woollyredhat]

I wonder if the guy who lost them will be held for 42 days?

I wouldn't be surprised if they detained the person who actually found it!

 

[SpookyFrank]

Dear Tessa Jowell,

So New Labour have just overturned nearly 800 years of history by voting for 42 days of internment without trial.

By removing our freedoms, you're doing the terrorists' job for them.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

I hope you feel proud of our government today. I certainly don't.

Yours sincerely,

Blagsta

All very good, but I'd like to send something more along the lines of:

Dear Gordon Brown

You'll get yours you cunt

Love SpookyFrank

Sadly I fear that parliament has just approved measures which mean I can be shot on sight for such conduct

 

[Brainaddict]

It still has to get through the lords and I seriously doubt they'll let it...

Fingers crossed on that. I hope this becomes a millstone around Brown's neck. I hope it fucking ends his career.

In reality it will probably be the next election that does that, and not because of his attacks on freedom, but because David Cameron looks better on tv.

Fuck me. We're meant to pretend this is democracy?

 

[Woollyredhat]

While all you lot are sending letters, please direct your letters in particular to this chap, who has admitted to backing the 42 days, solely on the grounds to save Brown's ass. Fucking helll

Labour backbencher Austin Mitchell said he had intended to vote against 42 days, but changed his mind and backed the Government in order to "save Gordon Brown for the nation".

"I support him and I think he would be on his way out if he had been defeated on this," Mr Mitchell told Sky News.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newsw...l&template=/news/feeds/story-template-pa.html

Voting for one person, ignoring millions of others. Great politican...

 

[danny la rouge]

While all you lot are sending letters, please direct your letters in particular to this chap, who has admitted to backing the 42 days, solely on the grounds to save Brown's ass. Fucking helll

Will do. Austin Mitchell, eh? Twat.