co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
That thing's just crying out for the word "cunt" on its sides with pink spray paint
I think that would be unnecessary, the whole car just shouts "I'm a wanker".
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I think that would be unnecessary, the whole car just shouts "I'm a wanker".
Re. 4x4s, given that they are so much larger than the car you learn to drive with, is it not reasonable to require anyone wanting to drive one to have an extended licence, similar to that for driving minibuses? Alternatively, or in unison, licence the owners whereby they have to demonstrate to the DVLA their requirement for such a vehicle, in effect rationing them.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Don't be stupid. A 750cc Robin reliant is capable of 70mph and that's NOT down hill.
yes but they get way more than reasonable interesting to travel in at over say 20mph. flown in an ex hitler youth glider that had better build quality
likesfish
You can't park here sir
they want to be roughy toughy 4X4 drivers
fine special course on dartmoor or the breacon beacons for a fortnight
absolutely pointless but the resulting video clips would be amusing.
am I tough enough to own a 4x4
ok a small minority would enjoy that sort of thing but most normal people don't
and there precious 4x4 won't look quite as bling
any tv researchers thats my concept large cheque to the server fund
fine special course on dartmoor or the breacon beacons for a fortnight
absolutely pointless but the resulting video clips would be amusing.
am I tough enough to own a 4x4
ok a small minority would enjoy that sort of thing but most normal people don't
and there precious 4x4 won't look quite as bling
any tv researchers thats my concept large cheque to the server fund
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
The front torsion suspension failed on my Regal. Luckily it happened when i was manouevering in the car park at work. - steel tube / rubber / clamp. The inner tube rusted right through - I got the chap up the road to weld in a bit of rotary line post which happened to be a perfect fit inside.yes but they get way more than reasonable interesting to travel in at over say 20mph. flown in an ex hitler youth glider that had better build quality
He refused to take any money for it and insisted that he would deny any knowledge of having done it if asked.
Does that also mean that people should be barred from driving any 2x4 that's bigger than whatever they learned in?
Eh? I can drive a 15 seat Transit minibus on my bog standard car licence. And I do.
Not all 4 wheel drives are that big. If you look at a medium-sized 4x4 it isn't longer or wider than an estate car. Humvees and other yank monsters are obviously exceptions to this.....
Giles..
OK, maybe I was mistaken. I vaguely remember my Dad (a teacher) doing a course to enable him to do it, but maybe I'm wrong.
What do you think of my proposition to demonstrate a need for a larger vehicle if you want to get one?
Silly, intrusive and pointless.
Fuel taxes are basically fair. The more you use, the more you pay.
Who would decide what you "need"? Some government department? No thanks.....
Would work "need" come before leisure? Would you be told off for having too many kids to fit in a standard car?
Just not practical.
Giles..
You're right. I have to renew my minibus licence every 3 years (I work with teenagers). To drive a minibus empty, you can do this on your normal licence. To actually transport people in 1, you have to do the licence.
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
I used to have a Land Rover.
I needed it for my hobby.
I'd love to see the DVLA's reaction to my application: I need a Landy cos I organise illeagal raves and need to check out remote areas of the countryside and when doing this in my Golf i fucked the oil sump.
No, you don't. I have transported lots of people in mine, all quite legally, on my standard car licence.
Giles..
Thinking this through again......
If a family of four have a car most of the car usage it has either 3 or 4 members of family in then the fuel usage should be calculated per individual. Sure the car driven individually is extravagant but with 4 members in, is darned efficient?
If a family of four have a car most of the car usage it has either 3 or 4 members of family in then the fuel usage should be calculated per individual. Sure the car driven individually is extravagant but with 4 members in, is darned efficient?
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Yep, and doubtless more efficient than 4 people on a bus.
I reckon my 2 litre car makes sense to get me, my camping equipment and fishing tackle to Cornwall once a year.
I agree it's not a simple proposal to implement, but I think we need to break from the status quo of a car-centred society which has spiralled out of control since the war. Rationing, beginning with fuel, is another possibility, again with potential difficulties, but continuing on the current path is impractical, impossible, painful and eventually impossible.
Rising fuel costs will ration motoring and type of car owned more effectively than some government committee telling people what they can and cannot do. Would you want that? I would not accept it.
Giles..
Yes you do. Anyone who uses a minibus to transport people as part of their jobs is legally required to have passed a minibus test. Like I said, you can drive an empty minibus on a standard, A/E only, car licence. Once you put people in it, you have to be a registered minibus licence holder.
I think it also depends on when you passed your test. I'm pretty sure I can't drive a minibus regardless of whether there is any passengers in it.
No, you don't. I have checked with my insurance company when I bought my Transit 4 years ago. Its a 15 seater LWB Transit, although I often take some of the seats out to transport stuff as well as people.
My driver's licence says on it:
According to DVLA's web site, "D1" is a minibus with up to 17 seats including the driver, so I can.
But not for "hire or reward", for that I would have to do a PCV test. But not for non-money-earning driving, whether just driving friends around, or driving in a voluntary role - like a sports team, school/college minibus, taking people to church, anything so long as you are not paid for it.
I think it has to do with when you passed your test. If post 1997 you don't get this automatically. Or some other stuff to do with vans/trucks up to 8250Kg, which I also have.
Although I think there is still a way of getting the minibus thing for non-money-earning driving without the full PCV malarkey.
Giles..
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
You are right about rationing, but there are many different ways of rationing. Fuel, as well as most other goods, is currently rationed at through the price mechanism - a large part of the price is set by some government body who set excise duty.
My preferred method of rationing would be through a personal carbon allowance, with a secondary market so you can sell off any personal surplus. Look for "Contraction and Convergence" to get a full description of the mechanism if you are interested.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
If the tax was going to be based on something *other* than CO2, it might have a point. However CO2 emissions are directly linked to fuel consumption. It's pretty much impossible to have two cars that eat the same amount of petrol and emit differing amounts of CO2. In which case, why the fuck not roll it into the gas tax? If it was maybe based on total emissions, or nitrates, or something like that - sure (and that would stop diesel drivers from being so sanctimonious... less CO2 and more of everything else!).
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
because you can use the CO2 measure for any energy system - any technology.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Those cars wouldn't be caught by the road tax system. They would if the tax was on the fuel.
Yup.
As the Stern Review observed, climate change threatens to be the greatest failure of the market ever, and given the current situation I'm not sure it can be said to work at the moment.
I have read a little about C&C, but I am looking to look more into it. I think the difficulty arises from the cooperation required for it to be implemented on a global scale, and I fear it's going to take a rather huge environmental disaster in London, NYC, Paris, Tokyo, etc to be taken seriously. I do like it as a format though.
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