cyberfairy
http://unicycle-emptiness.co.uk/
they have a darkly goth streak to them..i saw cradle of filth live. i got stitches from laughing so muchKained and Unable said:
goth or not?
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Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
RubberBuccaneer said:
I saw three girls tonight in velvet (some crushed) tracksuits tonight.....does that count as goth?
I doubt it
Chavs are vearing velvet nowadays...is nothing sacred
EatMoreChips
Fate Amenable To Change
I remember finding Goths highly amusing as a teenager and they got more amusing every year. Pitiable's probably a better word. A bloke I once knew was planning on making a film about invaders from the future who were fought off by an underground gothic gang, but you can't really see it happening because their whole resistance would fall apart if somebody lost the eye-liner.
past caring
The Cathars were right
What, no Dub?
EatMoreChips
Fate Amenable To Change
"We just got goth-served..."
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Thank you.EatMoreChips said:
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
I think I've got something in common with goths but most goths I've come across seem to be paragons of inoffensiveness. i.e. "we may look a bit scary but we're not really." Perhaps I'm too personally abrasive to be a goth.
Anyway, here's a good essay about goths, by someone in the US who calls herself the Rev. Rebecca (she is apparently a real Anglican priest, who works as a college chaplain).
I wish I could link to it but she no longer has it on her website so I had to Wayback it.
Reflections on Goth
There are few labels that invite ridicule the way the label "goth"
does. I suppose one's race, disability, class, sex, religion, or sexual
orientation invites similar ridicule, depending on one's location.
However, to identify oneself with the goth community is to invite
ridicule from the larger culture. And it is amazing what lies and
misconceptions abound about goths in general. Those on the margins of
society are always hated and feared and distrusted by the dominant
culture. It is a strange impulse within humanity, but it can be
observed in every placeand time. It is the reason why racism and
sexism and homophobia thrive.I hope we are moving beyond that in
today's day and age, but there is still so much work to be done.
There have always been those who willingly choose to stand in
solidarity with those on the margins of society or who simply find themselves
there. And this invites hatred. It always does. I suppose the only
thing one can do to exist in the face of such hatred is to believe in
one's sense of purpose. And I believe love is stronger than hatred
and has the power to defeat it. The trick is living that out, and
that's probably the most difficult thing I've ever tried.
Johnny Cash wrote:
Well, you wonder why I always dress in black,
Why you never see bright colors on my back,
And why does my appearance seem to have a somber tone.
Well, there's a reason for the things that I have on.
I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times.
I wear the black for those who never read,
Or listened to the words that Jesus said,
About the road to happiness through love and charity,
Why, you'd think He's talking straight to you and me.
Well, we're doin' mighty fine, I do suppose,
In our streak of lightnin' cars and fancy clothes,
But just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back,
Up front there ought 'a be a Man In Black.
I wear it for the sick and lonely old,
For the reckless ones whose bad trip left them cold,
I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been,
Each week we lose a hundred fine young men.
And, I wear it for the thousands who have died,
Believen' that the Lord was on their side,
I wear it for another hundred thousand who have died,
Believen' that we all were on their side.
Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.
Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day,
And tell the world that everything's OK,
But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back,
'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Black.
On Wearing Black
One might imagine that a singer like Johnny Cash (may he rest in peace)
was the farthest from gothdom imagineable...in reality he shared
many goth-like traits in his attitude and melancholia, but this song
in particular strikes at the heart of why many goths wear black.
Wearing black can be a sacramental act, it is an outward sign of an
inward reality. Wearing black every day is a critique on the facade
of our society that pretends that all is well in our world. Wearing
black or being "goth" does not mean one is always depressed anymore
than wearing bright colors means one is always happy. But our society
is much like a dysfunctional family that ignores the elephant in the
living room by pretending all is right with the world. Goths refuse
to play that game and continually point out the elephant. The more
our society shuns the whole of reality with its suffering, death, and
pain, the more goths will confront them with its reality by testifying
to it...in music, art, literature, and, yes, appearance.
I love goth people and culture. There is no one particular "religion"
or "philosophy" within goth culture and I find that being yourself is
more highly prized in gothdom than fitting a stereotype.
Stereotypes
Goths are some of the most mislabeled, misunderstood, and falsely
stereotyped individuals. I find goths to be more naturally
spiritual,intelligent, sensitive, and kind than the general
population. Not all, or even many goths are depressed, obsessed with
death, or angry. Many are very happy, joyful, and fulfilled people.
Most goths also have a keen sense of humor about themselves...they
don't take themselves nearly as seriously as most people take them!
Anyway, here's a good essay about goths, by someone in the US who calls herself the Rev. Rebecca (she is apparently a real Anglican priest, who works as a college chaplain).
I wish I could link to it but she no longer has it on her website so I had to Wayback it.
Reflections on Goth
There are few labels that invite ridicule the way the label "goth"
does. I suppose one's race, disability, class, sex, religion, or sexual
orientation invites similar ridicule, depending on one's location.
However, to identify oneself with the goth community is to invite
ridicule from the larger culture. And it is amazing what lies and
misconceptions abound about goths in general. Those on the margins of
society are always hated and feared and distrusted by the dominant
culture. It is a strange impulse within humanity, but it can be
observed in every placeand time. It is the reason why racism and
sexism and homophobia thrive.I hope we are moving beyond that in
today's day and age, but there is still so much work to be done.
There have always been those who willingly choose to stand in
solidarity with those on the margins of society or who simply find themselves
there. And this invites hatred. It always does. I suppose the only
thing one can do to exist in the face of such hatred is to believe in
one's sense of purpose. And I believe love is stronger than hatred
and has the power to defeat it. The trick is living that out, and
that's probably the most difficult thing I've ever tried.
Johnny Cash wrote:
Well, you wonder why I always dress in black,
Why you never see bright colors on my back,
And why does my appearance seem to have a somber tone.
Well, there's a reason for the things that I have on.
I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times.
I wear the black for those who never read,
Or listened to the words that Jesus said,
About the road to happiness through love and charity,
Why, you'd think He's talking straight to you and me.
Well, we're doin' mighty fine, I do suppose,
In our streak of lightnin' cars and fancy clothes,
But just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back,
Up front there ought 'a be a Man In Black.
I wear it for the sick and lonely old,
For the reckless ones whose bad trip left them cold,
I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been,
Each week we lose a hundred fine young men.
And, I wear it for the thousands who have died,
Believen' that the Lord was on their side,
I wear it for another hundred thousand who have died,
Believen' that we all were on their side.
Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.
Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day,
And tell the world that everything's OK,
But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back,
'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Black.
On Wearing Black
One might imagine that a singer like Johnny Cash (may he rest in peace)
was the farthest from gothdom imagineable...in reality he shared
many goth-like traits in his attitude and melancholia, but this song
in particular strikes at the heart of why many goths wear black.
Wearing black can be a sacramental act, it is an outward sign of an
inward reality. Wearing black every day is a critique on the facade
of our society that pretends that all is well in our world. Wearing
black or being "goth" does not mean one is always depressed anymore
than wearing bright colors means one is always happy. But our society
is much like a dysfunctional family that ignores the elephant in the
living room by pretending all is right with the world. Goths refuse
to play that game and continually point out the elephant. The more
our society shuns the whole of reality with its suffering, death, and
pain, the more goths will confront them with its reality by testifying
to it...in music, art, literature, and, yes, appearance.
I love goth people and culture. There is no one particular "religion"
or "philosophy" within goth culture and I find that being yourself is
more highly prized in gothdom than fitting a stereotype.
Stereotypes
Goths are some of the most mislabeled, misunderstood, and falsely
stereotyped individuals. I find goths to be more naturally
spiritual,intelligent, sensitive, and kind than the general
population. Not all, or even many goths are depressed, obsessed with
death, or angry. Many are very happy, joyful, and fulfilled people.
Most goths also have a keen sense of humor about themselves...they
don't take themselves nearly as seriously as most people take them!
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
i was a bit of a goth as a student but it never worked for me, wot bout summer and all that ?
'Some girls wander by mistake' (early sisters) is a class collection which still love however. Seen some great goth bands. I like to think that the LS6 goth version was very different from the LA thing probably.
The poll has a flaw i guess, * Likes goth style & music but isnt' a goth ?
'Some girls wander by mistake' (early sisters) is a class collection which still love however. Seen some great goth bands. I like to think that the LS6 goth version was very different from the LA thing probably.
The poll has a flaw i guess, * Likes goth style & music but isnt' a goth ?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
three and a half bloody years
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
cyberfairy
http://unicycle-emptiness.co.uk/
What a bump! I still look for shoes on ebay by searching 'goth' but not listened to Sneaky Bat Machine for years
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Hey, it's not my fault if there's been no threads like this one for - three and a half years (I know, I checked) and then a program comes on the radio about goths.
OK, stand corrected; there's one about being a punk or a goth in 2008, from just over a year ago and not quite as "strong" as goth on its own. Anyway, if you want to split the thread from my post onwards I won't mind.
cyberfairy
http://unicycle-emptiness.co.uk/
I am the same-still dress like a cross between queen Victoria and a three year old. and emos are pussies.Where are the long crushed velvet cloaks, fangs and goblets? It's all stars and hearts with a bit of death lite
Not a goth, but do like some gothic music...
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
I think this bit of Rebecca's bears repeating, especially as my post was rather long;
"Wearing black can be a sacramental act, it is an outward sign of an
inward reality. Wearing black every day is a critique on the facade
of our society that pretends that all is well in our world. Wearing
black or being "goth" does not mean one is always depressed anymore
than wearing bright colors means one is always happy. But our society
is much like a dysfunctional family that ignores the elephant in the
living room by pretending all is right with the world. Goths refuse
to play that game and continually point out the elephant. The more
our society shuns the whole of reality with its suffering, death, and
pain, the more goths will confront them with its reality by testifying
to it...in music, art, literature, and, yes, appearance."
"Wearing black can be a sacramental act, it is an outward sign of an
inward reality. Wearing black every day is a critique on the facade
of our society that pretends that all is well in our world. Wearing
black or being "goth" does not mean one is always depressed anymore
than wearing bright colors means one is always happy. But our society
is much like a dysfunctional family that ignores the elephant in the
living room by pretending all is right with the world. Goths refuse
to play that game and continually point out the elephant. The more
our society shuns the whole of reality with its suffering, death, and
pain, the more goths will confront them with its reality by testifying
to it...in music, art, literature, and, yes, appearance."
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
I was a bit gothic when I was 14/15 but that was in 1983/4- got no idea!
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Heh, I said exactly this in the pub last night!
Biglittlefish
Active Member
Goth! I liked the idea when I was a teenager but where I grew up, I would have had zero friends and been beaten to a pulp on a regular basis.
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