Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Really? I tried to google that, but the only info I could find was that they moved to bigger premises.
gordon ramsey genius or tosser
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Really? I tried to google that, but the only info I could find was that they moved to bigger premises.
hiccup
King of the Vagabonds
Yeah, I tried to google it too. I'm sure I read/heard that the other day though.
EDIT: found this:
http://www.caterersearch.com/Articl...s-momma-cherris-goes-into-administration.html
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
So she over extended - five floors! She must have been doing ok to think she could filll that! And at least her daughter has taken over. I don't think you can really blame Gordon for that one, although I wonder whatever happened to the Glasshouse in the Lake District?
stdPikachu
Plughole in bathtub curve
The word "genius" seems to be bandied about with increasing abandon these days. Einstein was a genius. Newton was a genius. Ramsay is a glorified cheese on toast robot who's done a GCSE in Business Studies and Customer Service.
zippypinhead
New Member
The common definition of a genius is someone with an exceptional ability in some field of endevor. To include fine arts, physics and music but exclude activities that require less intellectual ability but have more empahsis on other aptitudes such as physical skill such as cooking or sport is deeply patronising.
Most people cook at some time in their life and expectional artistry and ability has every right to acknowlegement and to be called genius.
I think he is a genius and if Gordon Ramsey had heard about Mama Cheris expansion plans I absolutely certian he would have advised her to wait.
She went bust through being an incompotent business woman it was never really an issue whether she created a great atmosphere and good food.
Most people cook at some time in their life and expectional artistry and ability has every right to acknowlegement and to be called genius.
I think he is a genius and if Gordon Ramsey had heard about Mama Cheris expansion plans I absolutely certian he would have advised her to wait.
She went bust through being an incompotent business woman it was never really an issue whether she created a great atmosphere and good food.
Orangesanlemons
Inamorati Anonymous
I think it's still shut, but I'll check tomorrow. By all accounts she sunk a lot of cash into a poor-selling cookbook and spent more time as a "personality" than an owner/manager.
I've heard some stuff from chefs who've worked there too. Not a great boss by any means if they're to be believed. Funnily enough now that Blind Lemon Alley's shut down too there's a gap in the Brighton market for that kind of place.
No idea about the Glasshouse, but that poor bloody chef deserves a bit of success after herr Ramsay laid into him and tried to get him fired.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
I think it's still shut, but I'll check tomorrow. By all accounts she sunk a lot of cash into a poor-selling cookbook and spent more time as a "personality" than an owner/manager.
I've heard some stuff from chefs who've worked there too. Not a great boss by any means if they're to be believed. Funnily enough now that Blind Lemon Alley's shut down too there's a gap in the Brighton market for that kind of place.
No idea about the Glasshouse, but that poor bloody chef deserves a bit of success after herr Ramsay laid into him and tried to get him fired.
But he was shit! Didn't he nearly poison Ramsay with a scallop?
I'm sorry to hear that about Blind Lemon Alley - I went there for a meal years ago and loved it - always meant to go back.
Ramsay is NOT a fucking genius. Cooking is NOT genius. FFS.
HE's an insecure moron with an ego complex. If he talked to me the way he speaks to people in his 'kitchen' i'd smack the tastebuds right out of his creased up face. There is no excuse for that kind of behaviour at all. Thinking he's a 'genius' and an 'artiste' doesn't excuse it at all. It's just puerile spoilt brat behavioru, same with all these overexposed overhyped cunts.
HE's an insecure moron with an ego complex. If he talked to me the way he speaks to people in his 'kitchen' i'd smack the tastebuds right out of his creased up face. There is no excuse for that kind of behaviour at all. Thinking he's a 'genius' and an 'artiste' doesn't excuse it at all. It's just puerile spoilt brat behavioru, same with all these overexposed overhyped cunts.
I watched Kitchen Nightmares USA the other day and there in the closing credits are two disclaimers flashed up super quick.
1. People pictured in the restaurant during filming may have been given money to do so.
2. This programme is edited in such a way that events are often shown out of the actual order they occured.
Not exact wording but the gist.
I feel dirty.
1. People pictured in the restaurant during filming may have been given money to do so.
2. This programme is edited in such a way that events are often shown out of the actual order they occured.
Not exact wording but the gist.
I feel dirty.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Gordon's TV rep is the nasty hard bastard. There is more to him than that which they don't really show. He uses praise too but him being a cunt is what sells.
He uses army methods to manage people basically. Tear em down and then build them back up. He could be gentler but gentle take three times as long and he doesn't have three times as long so its the quick fast blitzkreig approach or nothing he does in that time is going to work.
He is a good businessman and so almost by definition has to be a tosser but there are worst good businessmen tossers out there than Gordon. All he does is shout and swear rather than destroy the planet.
I have a lot of respect for Gordon. His work ethic is a damn sight better than mine. Saying that though I wouldn't want to work for him as I know he'd hate me with my sloppy work ethic.
He uses army methods to manage people basically. Tear em down and then build them back up. He could be gentler but gentle take three times as long and he doesn't have three times as long so its the quick fast blitzkreig approach or nothing he does in that time is going to work.
He is a good businessman and so almost by definition has to be a tosser but there are worst good businessmen tossers out there than Gordon. All he does is shout and swear rather than destroy the planet.
I have a lot of respect for Gordon. His work ethic is a damn sight better than mine. Saying that though I wouldn't want to work for him as I know he'd hate me with my sloppy work ethic.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Yeah, they but up a disclaimer before it starts, saying that this is not the case in the UK version. Its tv, what do you expect?
And why on earth can cooking not be raised to genius levels?
At the highest levels its got very little to do with cheese on toast.As for him being rude, I reckon in most cases they deserve it. ANd to be honest, if someone came in to save my failing restaurant, I could put up with a bit of a bollocking to get the benefits of his advice and expertise. Thats all for the tele anyway - don't his staff tend to stay with him for years, before going on to greater things? I wouldn't particularly want him as a boss, but if you can't stand the heat etc.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
This ^^^^^^
zippypinhead
New Member
The Glasshouse is located in the sort of tourist trap location that would make money if it served dogshit on toast during the summer.
The food was always terrible but that applies to a lot of places in the lake district where extortionate overpriced shit is the norm.
The food was always terrible but that applies to a lot of places in the lake district where extortionate overpriced shit is the norm.
Orangesanlemons
Inamorati Anonymous
But he was shit! Didn't he nearly poison Ramsay with a scallop?
I'm sorry to hear that about Blind Lemon Alley - I went there for a meal years ago and loved it - always meant to go back.
I think that was the guy at Bonapartes with the scallop.
Yeah, it was a shame about BLA - rent dispute with the landlords they say. It used to be a great place to take visitors who wanted a bit of "Brighton" iyswim.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
All Ramsay preaches is:
* Faultless hygeine
* Good quality ingredients
* Simple food, that can be prepared in a reasonable timeframe
* Cooked well
He also looks for the gap in the local market.
And I say all power to him for this. Most restaurants I have visited utterly fail with at least three of these criteria and I don't go back to them. I'd return to one of Ramsay's makeovers time and again, however, because he gets those basics right.
Yes, he shouts. But I think I would too, when I see the way some of those people keep their kitchens and the crap they are cooking with.
* Faultless hygeine
* Good quality ingredients
* Simple food, that can be prepared in a reasonable timeframe
* Cooked well
He also looks for the gap in the local market.
And I say all power to him for this. Most restaurants I have visited utterly fail with at least three of these criteria and I don't go back to them. I'd return to one of Ramsay's makeovers time and again, however, because he gets those basics right.
Yes, he shouts. But I think I would too, when I see the way some of those people keep their kitchens and the crap they are cooking with.
And remind me again what you do all day?
Now Ramsey may rant a little, but so do you. And at least he's got the pressures of a professional kitchen to deal with - one of the hottest and most stressful of environments - whereas as your excuse seems to be that you're a frustrated keyboard warrior sitting at home.
And strangely enough folks I know who have worked for him speak very highly of the man. Overhyped? - perhaps. But he's a talented bod for sure.
Nonsense...if he didn't give them a bollocking they'd never change. Besides, its a tv program and is meant to be entertaining, if he went there and was all nicey nicey with them it'd be dull as fuck.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he could champion those aims without being an obnoxious shouty cunt. There are other ways of dealing with people, but I suppose they don't make good TV.
Pretend to catch another fish Gordon you meat-headed fucker
zippypinhead
New Member
In reality most chefs earn a very poor wage for long anti-social hours and very hard work. It is an industry were pre-frozen crap is slammed into microwaves far more often fresh ingredients are lovingly selected every day from the local market and expertly prepared and cooked.
The way he acts is a consultant is not appropriate for every industry but I don't feel sorry for some of the sad,talentless misfits he tackles head on who end up in catering churning out crap and effectively ruining their ,often inexperienced, employers. (see UK version LA Gondola and US version Seascape Inn)
On the other hand the way he encourages young chefs to see beyond the microwave and encourage hard work and tenacity is admirable. Few people seem to notice this is the situation in a lot of the kitchens he visits.
The way he acts is a consultant is not appropriate for every industry but I don't feel sorry for some of the sad,talentless misfits he tackles head on who end up in catering churning out crap and effectively ruining their ,often inexperienced, employers. (see UK version LA Gondola and US version Seascape Inn)
On the other hand the way he encourages young chefs to see beyond the microwave and encourage hard work and tenacity is admirable. Few people seem to notice this is the situation in a lot of the kitchens he visits.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Yes, because everyone listens to Delia.
Yeah, that's pretty much my position
he's strangely homo-erotic...
does anyone else do the F-word thing when they're making a really shit meal-
“ cornflakes… bowl… add the milk… sugar … sprinkle…
Bread… toaster, leave for 2 minutes… add the butter… spread… marmalade… knife…
Strawberry Pop Tart… remove packaging… toast…
Cornflakes avec le toast and strawberry Pop Tart-
DONE”
I actually started a poll about this on another forum- 'Gordon Ramsey- cook or cock?'
I think 'cook' won, by a narrow margin...
I think 'cook' won, by a narrow margin...
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Kanda
Diving wanker
He started off as a goalkeeper for Rangers I think.
zippypinhead
New Member
There are loads of really super human beings working in calls centres and in accounts depts all over Britian struggling year after year and working hard and still in debt.
However there are so many real arseholes who are successful businessmen and complete tossers.
Is there some kind of pattern here. If want to acheive success in business you need to be a tosser and bit nasty at least some of the time.
However there are so many real arseholes who are successful businessmen and complete tossers.
Is there some kind of pattern here. If want to acheive success in business you need to be a tosser and bit nasty at least some of the time.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
I reckon so. I've never met anyone in senior management that I'd want to be mates with.
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