Gordon Brown & his "New World Order"

[Barking_Mad]

Gordon Brown has on several occasions spoken the words, in public, "The New World Order", and it’s apparent rise from the ashes of the current economic system. The media have reported him as saying this, but outside of those labelled ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ there is little attempt to explain what it means in reality and practice.

Anyone got any suggestions? What economic system is he actually proposing and why, given its effect on everyone living under it, is it barely debated in mainstream circles?

 

[elbows]

Well he did use the term a bit before the current financial crisis.

As for what he means now, its hard to be sure, detail will emerge this year when it becomes clear how they want to reform international institutions.

I assume it involves some of the following:

Acknowledging the new powers that have risen but are not fairly represented under the post-ww2 order. We already have the G20 rather than G8.

Stronger regulation. Perhaps a crackdown on offshore tax havens, perhaps not.

Twisting the system so that there is still some reason for the countries with the wealth and resources to lend some of it to us.

Perhaps tying it in with other international stuff like agreements on carbon reduction.

Attempting to keep the globalisation dream/nightmare alive. Protectionism is on the rise, global trade & shipping has declined rapidly, capital is flying home. Can they halt this tide?

 

[pollypatter]

Yeah he mentioned this phrase in several times over the past few years.

I think elbows last point about increasing the level globizilation is the most likely, basically.

Then again.....

 

[Corax]

Something to do with lizards.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Picture a boot stamping on a human face, forever.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

 

[Brainaddict]

Well he did use the term a bit before the current financial crisis.

As for what he means now, its hard to be sure, detail will emerge this year when it becomes clear how they want to reform international institutions.

I assume it involves some of the following:

Acknowledging the new powers that have risen but are not fairly represented under the post-ww2 order. We already have the G20 rather than G8.

Stronger regulation. Perhaps a crackdown on offshore tax havens, perhaps not.

Twisting the system so that there is still some reason for the countries with the wealth and resources to lend some of it to us.

Perhaps tying it in with other international stuff like agreements on carbon reduction.

Attempting to keep the globalisation dream/nightmare alive. Protectionism is on the rise, global trade & shipping has declined rapidly, capital is flying home. Can they halt this tide?

Yeah, I think that's more or less it, with a bit more anti-terrorist co-operation thrown in. Not sure about the 'stronger regulation' though - until recently he was in favour of weaker regulation, but who can keep up?

 

[Hocus Eye.]

The phrase 'New World Order' was first used I think by George Bush the Elder after the collapse of the Soviet Union. There is also the 'New American Century' which has been a project of the American right wing going on for many years also spurred on by the Soviet collapse and linked in with globalisation.

Gordon Brown is on the same tack really but he can't openly use the expression New American Century while leading Britain.

 

[elbows]

Not sure about the 'stronger regulation' though - until recently he was in favour of weaker regulation, but who can keep up?

The crunch has changed that.

 

[elbows]

The phrase 'New World Order' was first used I think by George Bush the Elder after the collapse of the Soviet Union. There is also the 'New American Century' which has been a project of the American right wing going on for many years also spurred on by the Soviet collapse and linked in with globalisation..

Apparently it goes back to world war 1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order

I dont think the Project for a new American Century is quite the same, in fact it could be seen as an attempt to avoid changes to the world order, to cling to the USA's powerful position in the world, to enable it to continue to dominate in the 21st Century. The world order that emerged from the end of WW2 gave the USA that role, the next big change to world order will cede some ground to emerging powers, or will ultimately end in new world disorder.

 

[TomPaine]

Project for a new American Century

Ironic really when you consider this group and the work they penned about American power, are the group that have contributed in the last 8 years to completly fucking the country over.

 

[elbows]

Dont know if they'd see it that way, if they place little value on international credibility, compared to access to strategic resources, they probably think they achieved their mission. Only time will tell, how things are with Iraq in 10 or 20 years.

 

[TomPaine]

Dont know if they'd see it that way, if they place little value on international credibility, compared to access to strategic resources, they probably think they achieved their mission. Only time will tell, how things are with Iraq in 10 or 20 years.

Well they are out of power, have left the repubs with the reputation of having had the worst US president ever. Have left the US in a awful economic mess which could if it gets worst risk the stability of the country.

 

[goebfwai]

It sounds like a re-branding exercise, the 'old world order' tinkered about with, repackaged and painted as being somehow all fresh, modern, shiny and new.

Not sure where the public demand is for such a thing or how it deals with the rather sombre economic mood of the moment. I don't hear the man on the Clapham omnibus calling for it!

I also heard him say in his speech that he wanted to "create order out of chaos"!

 

[old dog]

ya men but thing that wurring me is the 2012thing and all this 666 thing on youtube have alook it gets to you peace old dog

 

[TomPaine]

666 thing

I presume this probably isn't a history channel video discussing the numeric codes used in Middle East as a method of conveying a Roman Emporers name e.g. Nero?
I wonder if it disucsses the 616 variation?

 

[old dog]

but thay ar just ussin obama as afall gie ther is alot off blaks in ther usa

 

[old dog]

no this is the end off ther wold as we no it 2011 sees the un taking over laer and alot mour if you go in to youtube or just yor pc and put 2012 or the end of the wold peace

 

[untethered]

Is it something to do with owls?

 

[TomPaine]

no this is the end off ther wold as we no it 2011 sees the un taking over laer and alot mour if you go in to youtube or just yor pc and put 2012 or the end of the wold peace

Babelfish anyone?

 

[Dr Jon]

Babelfish anyone?

Blah-blah fish?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The phrase 'New World Order' was first used I think by George Bush the Elder after the collapse of the Soviet Union. There is also the 'New American Century' which has been a project of the American right wing going on for many years also spurred on by the Soviet collapse and linked in with globalisation.

Gordon Brown is on the same tack really but he can't openly use the expression New American Century while leading Britain.

Its older than Bush Senior. HG Wells wrote about it.

 

[elbows]

Well there has been more noise about this stuff in the last week. Both Brown and Obama pointing the finger at tax havens, they really want that tax money now that times are hard. Quite how far they go remains to be seen.

Im surprised the world government paranoids haven been gibbering more this week, as Gordon & co were talking about international co-operation, regulation & leadership on a scale that the world has never achieved before.

 

[yield]

Well there has been more noise about this stuff in the last week. Both Brown and Obama pointing the finger at tax havens, they really want that tax money now that times are hard. Quite how far they go remains to be seen.

Tax Justice Network February 19, 2009

That's not to mention Britain's role in effectively running some of the world's most important tax havens - from the Crown Dependencies like Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man, to its Overseas Territories like the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, and so on.

So it's hypocritical concentrating on Switzerland. London is a hub for tax avoidance.

The usual suspects.

Anguilla - Antigua and Barbuda - Aruba - Bahamas - Barbados - Belize - Bermuda - British Virgin Islands - Cayman Islands - Cook Islands - Costa Rica - Cyprus - Dominica - Gibraltar - Grenada - Guernsey/Sark/Alderney - Hong Kong - Isle of Man - Jersey - Latvia - Lichtenstein - Luxembourg - Malta - Nauru - Netherlands - Antilles - Panama - Samoa - St. Kitts and Nevis - St. Lucia - St. Vincent and the Grenadines - Singapore - Switzerland - Turks and Caicos - Vanuatu

 

[goldenecitrone]

Babelfish anyone?

REM fish. and I feel fine.

 

[isitme]

i assumed he was referring to the fact that the G8 countries are no longer the most powerful

 

[elbows]

So it's hypocritical concentrating on Switzerland. London is a hub for tax avoidance.

Oh yes, Id forgotten about Brown trying to steer the focus towards Switzerland. Still Obama kept mentioning the Cayman Islands so things could get rather interesting.

 

[jimadore]

beware of homeland security they are every where.

 

[bhamgeezer]

New world order = world goverment under the banner of liberal democracy and capitalism, the centralisation of power in a globalised world.

This could only begin to happen after the fall of communism as before that the world was split by ideaology.

They arn't going to implement this quickly it is going to take decades of incrementation.

This isn't a conspiracy theory this happening before are very eyes. With technological advances this type of centralisation of power was inevitable.

Its big people with big plans for humanity and its destiny, some how its always the little guys who will lose out.