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Gordon Brown - dead man walking?

agricola said:
Not going to happen - even if there was a huge terror attack, Brown is extremely unlikely to appear as any kind of Churchillian figure (even with the lashings of media hype that Blair enjoyed pre-Iraq) - I would say that the only way he will hang on post 2009/10 is if the General Election was postponed.
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You do know that Churchill wasn't anything like the Churchillian figure of popular belief?
 
A war around which people would flock to Gordon Brown as the nations saviour and re-elect him would be a disaster for Britain.

Then we would be doomed to have ID cards and the database.
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
So VP, tell us the film (and then whether a Labour leadership contest is possible and/or likely???) :)
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The film, IIRC, was "Ghost Dog", and IMHO a leadership contest is unlikely this close to a general election, purely because if Brown loses then a new party leader can play "new broom", and if he wins, those who've undermined him will find themselves banished to the hinterlands of the back benches.
 
Is this Gordon Brown of whom you all speak, the one who was Prime Minister for a while? Whatever happened to him anyway? He seemed to be a nice quiet sort of chap at the time. You never hear anything about him nowadays. Who took over his place?

I am a bit out of touch with things at the moment, I have been very busy cataloguing my cigarette card collection.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Unless you are somehow suggesting that Gordon Brown would launch a false-flag terror attack, this seems rather unlikely.
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Im not sure how often false flag is ordered at the behest of a premiere, but I have a feeling it's not often. If there were to be FF it probably wouldnt be to save him but to advance a control agenda which can be advanced with or without him.
 
ViolentPanda said:
The film, IIRC, was "Ghost Dog", and IMHO a leadership contest is unlikely this close to a general election, purely because if Brown loses then a new party leader can play "new broom", and if he wins, those who've undermined him will find themselves banished to the hinterlands of the back benches.
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Ah right, never really seen it...
 
can't see any of the young uns wanting the job right now tbh. I think many in the party know they're fucked with Brown in charge so if there's a push to get him out it would surely be Straw to mind the shop and possibly pull off the miracle Brown can't and save their arses.

For Straw's part, if he waits until after the election loss he must know it'd be a younger man who will get the gig so this could be his only chance.

Possibly anyway.
 
JTG said:
can't see any of the young uns wanting the job right now tbh. I think many in the party know they're fucked with Brown in charge so if there's a push to get him out it would surely be Straw to mind the shop and possibly pull off the miracle Brown can't and save their arses.

For Straw's part, if he waits until after the election loss he must know it'd be a younger man who will get the gig so this could be his only chance.

Possibly anyway.
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exactly. Who wants to go down with the sinking ship? Leave it to Mr Moral Compass, the man who sat on his hands over Iraq, but there's still blood on 'em.
 
Brown's People Love Me:

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over there is where the queen lives
i am sorry i nicked your picture danny but i could resist it
 
regardless of being a reactionary phoney liar and blood on his hands tosser, Jack Straw may well become plan b as a kind of Michael Howard role.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
regardless of being a reactionary phoney liar and blood on his hands tosser, Jack Straw may well become plan b as a kind of Michael Howard role.
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I think they'd hope their wilderness years are that short! The Tories went through two leaders before getting to the guy that could get them the guy that looks to win them an election (iyswim)...
 
I think if Brown went, any minister that could get the job is just as corrupt . The only worthwhile , valid choices are MP's we've never heard of on the backbenches
 
I can't really see Jack Straw going for it tbh. Actually I can't really see anyone going for it - they'd have to be simultaneously smart enough to successfully gather support and make the play, and obsessive or stupid enough to believe that they might actually then win the next election and survive.

It's only really of passing interest anyway I think. A complete and utter policy U-turn might save them, but it's a bit late for that now, and you can bet anyone getting in would just be a continuation of the existing regime. It took the Tories, what, over a decade to even make slight cosmetic changes to their position....
 
Matthew Parris said very sensibly in The Times yesterday that Labour politicians would recognise the value of merely losing the election, as opposed to losing by a landslide. Getting rid of Brown is a cheap and easy way of buying electoral appeal and they should have the sense to do so.
 
Maurice Picarda said:
Matthew Parris said very sensibly in The Times yesterday that Labour politicians would recognise the value of merely losing the election, as opposed to losing by a landslide. Getting rid of Brown is a cheap and easy way of buying electoral appeal and they should have the sense to do so.
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That's a fair point, but I'm not sure that it would make a lot of difference. On the one hand, yes, Brown is a negative, but any leadership contest, particularly when it looks like a reaction to press demands, makes the party look even more divided and uncertain and the Tories would exploit that. And any sort of proper NL-ite like Milliband replacing him would undoubtedly piss everyone off just as much in the remaining time.

It might help if they get a vaguely affable non-ideologue up there - if there are any left in any sort of senior position - and silently abandon practically every policy they have until the election. I'm doubtful that will happen though.
 
Today's papers giving him until the end of August, on what basis i can't really make out. Can't see what he could or couldn't do over next 4 weeks to make much of a difference. More depressingly, the unions have signed up to the welfare policies of increased privatisation of employment support services as well as forcing lone parents to seek work, which proves that Purnell is pushing himself into the limelight. Balls is unhappy apparently as well but with Hoon being lined up for Mandleson's job, he's unlikely to want to rock the boat and he's chief whip. So i reckon Broon's unlikely to go anywhere until conference season now.
 
Can't see what he could or couldn't do over next 4 weeks to make much of a difference. More depressingly, the unions have signed up to the welfare policies of increased privatisation of employment support services as well as forcing lone parents to seek work, which proves that Purnell is pushing himself into the limelight.
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What does that mean, have they actually signed up to it at Warwick, etc.If so, then the Unions are part of the problem not the solution.
 
trevhagl said:
Because many of them vote with their constituents interests at heart not the minsters'
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The main problem being that even a sniff of power is usually enough to turn the staunchest back-bencher into a neo-liberal cocksucker of the highest order. :(
 
ViolentPanda said:
The main problem being that even a sniff of power is usually enough to turn the staunchest back-bencher into a neo-liberal cocksucker of the highest order. :(
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With some it is, but you couldn't see Dennis Skinner or many of those who have stood up to the govt selling out
 
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