It's all about da search, baby. Not wanting to sound spooky but how do you expect to feed a machine with the potential of artificial intelligence without shit loads of data?
Google forced to hand over log of every person who has ever watched a YouTube video!
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It's all about da search, baby. Not wanting to sound spooky but how do you expect to feed a machine with the potential of artificial intelligence without shit loads of data?
Well, if they try to sue me, I shall ignore them.
And then, if they send people to my house to try to take money or things from me, I will initially play along, and then, with no warning of hostile intent, slam a long skewer through the earhole and brain of one of those people.
Then pull out the samurai sword and behead the next one while he is pulling out his mobile phone to dial 999 as his colleague twitches on the floor.
And Thus They Shall Know I Am Right.
Or, they could leave me alone!
Giles..
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Why do we have to have either media giants OR media, not both?
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I confess - I have watched a 3 minute snippet of naughtily-posted Viacom comedy - (Kids in the Hall - Business Suit Trappers") but it was something I could have recorded myself off the telly in better quality when it was first broadcast.
(Though I'm pretty certain that's technically illegal too)
(Though I'm pretty certain that's technically illegal too)
gnoriac
lowly seer
magneze
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IP's and usernames though? I can understand analysing general trends, but I do find it very hard to believe that this level of data is useful for search ... (maybe username's ... a bit)
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Exactly. Who else will want that list? How will Viacom use it once they have it?
Why do they need the google usernames of watchers? Surely their beef is with those who uploaded Viacom's material, not with those who watched the material.
Is this time to stop using googlemail, youtube, blogger's blogspot, etc?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Why are You Tube keeping a record ?
There is an option in You Tube to delete your viewing history.
Does this mean that the viewing history is not actually deleted at all??
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I am sure you can delete your record of your viewing history.
But I very much doubt you can delete their record of your viewing history.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Scroogle and You Ku for me from now on. Do ze.
kained&able
Here for the football.
So seeing as this data is clearly going to take a long time to mine through. How long do ISP's keep recoreds of who had what IP address for?
Is there a legal minimum?
Also what precedents can be set from this ruling? are they likely to be able to use the same ruling to target the torrent trackers now? Or will that require another court case?
dave
Is there a legal minimum?
Also what precedents can be set from this ruling? are they likely to be able to use the same ruling to target the torrent trackers now? Or will that require another court case?
dave
stdPikachu
Plughole in bathtub curve
Fixed that for you. Viacom and all the rest are still in the business of telling me how to "consume" their content, and not in the business of letting me watch it on my own terms. They are being out-evolved by their own fucking customers and are too stupid to see it. They're not just re-arranging deckchairs, they're setting fire to the titanic's lifeboats because the corporate logo was the wrong colour.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
The EFF is arguing that this is prohibited by the Video Privacy Protection act: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/07/court-ruling-will-expose-viewing-habits-youtube-us
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I doubt very much they want to go after individuals who viewed copyright materials.
After all most individuals don't have much money.
Google on the other hand has a lot of money.
My bet is that they want the data so they can calculate how much illegal publishing google has done of their (and possibly of others copyright material) so that they can then launch a big suit against Google for oodles and oodles of compensation.
Augie March
blahem
Am I right in thinking retrieving an IP address does not mean they'd have access to who the actual user is, only their internet provider can confirm that information?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Yes, you are right.
skunkboy69
Reverend of Eternal Light
The best way to avoid all this logging is to not use the net 
stdPikachu
Plughole in bathtub curve
Of course, they're not collecting IP's to identify individual users, they're going to put it into their random number/profit generator, which goes a little something like this:
137 unique IP addresses from around the world viewed this thirty second clip of Popular Show
Given that there are six billion people in the world and approx three billion active IP addresses, it's likely that the clip was watched by at least seventeen people at each IP address (any statistical error in this calculation can be explained by a single user watching the clip 17 times)
This means we lost 137*17 sales of the Bumper Deluxe Edition Box Set of Popular Show, valued at $100 apiece (but sold for $50 in the shops) = $232900
That's also 137*17 different lawsuits and therefore punitive damages, valued at $100,000 per infringement = $232900000, plus the cost to us of each lawsuit is 137*17*$10,000 = $23290000
Therefore google owes us $256,422,900 for every thirty seconds of video stored on youtube
Estimating that youtube contains approximately half a million hours worth of footage, plus new footage is being uploaded every second, we humbly beseech my learned judge to ask google to pay us one billion dollars (plus interest) every second until the universe goes "foom".
Disclaimer: I am not a registered accountant, so I may have underestimated some of the values stated.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Surely the most that Google could be ordered to provide Viacom with would be viewer-anonymised data for proven Viacom material that had been proven by Viacom to have been uploaded to Google?
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