Good work by Leeds Anarchist black Cross

[chico enrico]

At the moment for instance, my group is locally focussing on temp agencies and how they are fucking people over on an international level; we'll be publishing info in english and polish simulataneously and trying to run an identical campaign in both countries.

Brilliant Idea for a campaign! Helping those who need help most, whilst putting the boot in to those who profit most from exploiting those on low wages. THAT is what it is all about IMO.

If any 'Anarchist Federation' really gave a fuck about anything they would devote all their resources to such work rather than fannying about with crappy papers and shite noone gives a shit about.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I think a lot of normal folks supported the miners and the hardships their families and communities were undergoing during the strike.

All those normal folk, except the flying scabs who didn't give a shit. A lot of them came from the same communities which rather undermines your cosy and naive view of what "normal folk" want and support.

I don't think a lot of normal folks would have a great deal of support for a chap who boiled a tramp alive, chopped him up and kept his head beside the Dairylee.

So usual standards of justice and rehabiltation should be denied to someone because of something that took place over 25 years ago? The fact that the majority of people don't see something as a problem doesn't mean that it isn't a problem.

The issue at hand is that a prisoner who was to be released from prison after serving his sentence and who was already working out of the prison in the community (with those normal folk who appear to inform so much of your thinking) has been reimprisoned because of something he wrote. Just stick to this for now, if you can. Do you think this is an acceptable situation? Locking someone away for something written about his thoughts on the penal system that has been tasked with punishing and rehabilitating this man? Because I don't.

 

[kyser_soze]

Did that writing violate any of his parole conditions?

I've already made my position pretty clear on him, and TBH as I tried pointing out, my main beef was with an anarchist group shooting and missing by about a million miles.

BTW, Tax, U has a PM from mi.

 

[chico enrico]

All those normal folk, except the flying scabs who didn't give a shit. A lot of them came from the same communities which rather undermines your cosy and naive view of what "normal folk" want and support.

a) i know that

b) no it doesn't.

(NB: are you old enough to remember the miners strike? if so, during that time, you would probably have found street collections for the miners on every high street throughout the UK)

So usual standards of justice and rehabiltation should be denied to someone because of something that took place over 25 years ago? The fact that the majority of people don't see something as a problem doesn't mean that it isn't a problem.

The issue at hand is that a prisoner who was to be released from prison after serving his sentence and who was already working out of the prison in the community (with those normal folk who appear to inform so much of your thinking) has been reimprisoned because of something he wrote. Just stick to this for now, if you can. Do you think this is an acceptable situation? Locking someone away for something written about his thoughts on the penal system that has been tasked with punishing and rehabilitating this man? Because I don't.

no, that is not the issue.

Locking someone away for something written about his thoughts on the penal system that has been tasked with punishing and rehabilitating this man? Because I don't.

I wouldn't either. That is not the case in this instance. Please refer to rest of thread.

NB: Apparently ABC support the fucking Unabomber so IMO they're off their heads and i wouldn't trust them to tell me the time, let alone give an impartial account of any case they decide to champion.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

@ kyser: I'm not sure tbh re: parole conditions but I'm also not sure about whether parole conditions should be able to prevent someone expressing their political opinion, whether big 'p' or little 'p'.

I can't be arsed arguing over this anymore tbf, it's becoming a little tedious in the way that the head in fridge issue seems to define the start point for many people, as well as the end.

So i'll sign off by saying that I'm not entirely in disagreement with you on the shooting and missing angle but i do feel that there are certain basic principles of justice that are being ignored as well

 

[Yelkcub]

If any 'Anarchist Federation' really gave a fuck about anything they would devote all their resources to such work rather than fannying about with crappy papers and shite noone gives a shit about.

Are you belittling the huge effort that led to the raising of 350 euros?

 

[chico enrico]

Are you belittling the huge effort that led to the raising of 350 euros?

I think i could put 350 euros to better use on a night in Budapest

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Brilliant Idea for a campaign! Helping those who need help most, whilst putting the boot in to those who profit most from exploiting those on low wages. THAT is what it is all about IMO.

If any 'Anarchist Federation' really gave a fuck about anything they would devote all their resources to such work rather than fannying about with crappy papers and shite noone gives a shit about.

Agreed and cheers

i'd like to point out tho, the AF doesn't exist as a radical charity. The papers (no matter how crapy) essentially exist to explain how and why to sort out the mess we are in.

Otherwise its just patching up the existing system. If you can fight it at the same time as helping people, you're on to a winner. Too much 'class struggle' is actually moaning theory in words no one understands.

Your point stands though, if you can't do the organising you have no right to put pen to paper and criticise.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

did you guys know that ABC groups are pretty much autonomous of each other menmaning there are as many 'ABCs' as there are local groups?!

what sense does that make!

 

[durruti02]

I think international solidarity is essential, I do not see it as being 'fucked up' at all in the age of globalisation. You were not saying this when money was coming in for the miners from around the world.... In fact, I think we should not be critical about any struggles like this unless they are reactionary in some way (and I do not think the case you mentioned was), instead there should be more emphasis on what you want to see here, and build and promote those campaigns. I think criticism like yours in this case is futile.

this is not real international solidarity ... this is absolute ghetto bollox .. nothing to do with buidling real links .. it does nothing for change .. in fact it is worse .. it alienates the vast maj

class wars correct critisism back in the 8ts of @ism/anarcho punk/anarcho lifestylism etc appear to have been abandonned entirely

 

[The Black Hand]

this is not real international solidarity ... this is absolute ghetto bollox .. nothing to do with buidling real links .. it does nothing for change .. in fact it is worse .. it alienates the vast maj

class wars correct critisism back in the 8ts of @ism/anarcho punk/anarcho lifestylism etc appear to have been abandonned entirely

I disagree, it is international solidarity, but on a smaller scale. Not everything is gonna be in your face massive, but to people concerned in anti prison issues then of course it is going to be more important.

I do have my criticisms of the types of people you are indicating, anarcho fetishism I call it, but I also think that this sort of solidarity should not be attacked just because it isn't as mass as you would like.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

this is not real international solidarity ... this is absolute ghetto bollox .. nothing to do with buidling real links .. it does nothing for change .. in fact it is worse .. it alienates the vast maj

class wars correct critisism back in the 8ts of @ism/anarcho punk/anarcho lifestylism etc appear to have been abandonned entirely

obviously missing your guiding hand

 

[The Black Hand]

obviously missing your guiding hand

You bad boy tax

 

[kyser_soze]

Too much 'class struggle' is actually moaning theory in words no one understands.

Hahahahaha

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

did you guys know that ABC groups are pretty much autonomous of each other menmaning there are as many 'ABCs' as there are local groups?!

what sense does that make!

what sense does any of it has to make Tax? easy as one two three.....

 

[The Black Hand]

did you guys know that ABC groups are pretty much autonomous of each other meaning there are as many 'ABCs' as there are local groups?!

what sense does that make!

There is some sense in that it forces all attention on enlarging your current local group, which is where our efforts should be. The Brighton ABC, have been an ideal example. There was NO national organisation, the last time was when London ABC had this role by default, so they went it alone, very sensibly, and built an excellent local group. Now others have learnt from their example and are springing up. At some point, there will be a need for national organisation felt, but the impetus from this should be from the ABC groups themselves... I like the idea of groups from the regions pressing on the 'centre'....

 

[durruti02]

obviously missing your guiding hand

clearly!

 

[chico enrico]

Just out of interest is it true that (perhaps not all, but at least some) ABC groups support the Unabomber?? that's just mental. If i had my hand on the lever i'd have had that beardy nut-job frying on ol' sparky as soon as he'd been dragged out of his cave.

 

[durruti02]

Just out of interest is it true that (perhaps not all, but at least some) ABC groups support the Unabomber?? that's just mental. If i had my hand on the lever i'd have had that beardy nut-job frying on ol' sparky as soon as he'd been dragged out of his cave.

how can you say that! you are obviously not a REAL anarchist! ( who only ever seem to support eliteist individualist people hating egoists .. oh ok .. (being a bit slow here!) so yes actually er REAL anarchists!! .. i forgot why i gave up on anarchism for a second there!

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Just out of interest is it true that (perhaps not all, but at least some) ABC groups support the Unabomber?? that's just mental. If i had my hand on the lever i'd have had that beardy nut-job frying on ol' sparky as soon as he'd been dragged out of his cave.

Its true.

Like, anarchy man.

 

[chico enrico]

Its true.

Like, anarchy man.

That's just snooker-loopy. Do you have a link to some source where these dorks express exactly why they regard the Unabomber as worthy of support?

S'pose they'll be 'supporting' David Copeland or Timothy McVeigh next?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Its true.

Like, anarchy man.

Nang