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What's acceptable there as an adult wage clearly isn't enough for an adult to look after their kids and send them to school, so perhaps you need to start from that point as a guideline for pay??
 
_angel_ said:
What's acceptable there as an adult wage clearly isn't enough for an adult to look after their kids and send them to school, so perhaps you need to start from that point as a guideline for pay??
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True but I also have to be careful with the cash as I have no real income here.
I have enough to last a good while but not if I go crazy. The wage was advertised locally so nothing imposed and as I said before it's that or harder work for less cash with no school.

I think some people here are looking at UK norms and not the reality we have here. I would like to help out more than I am able. Today we have been to a funeral of a 32 year old bloke. In the UK he would have had a good shot at living but the family just didn't have the cash to pay the medical fees.
My bank balance would have kept him alive another year but then he would have died anyway.
I liked the bloke but what the fuck can I do to help him?
Same goes for the maid. I could pay her UK salary but my cash would run out and I would have done her little good in the long term.

Harsh country with harsh realities.
 
I don't see what you're doing wrong. The girl is receiving an education, albeit part-time (athough that doesn't appear to be a result of your employing her), she has a job with what seems to be a warm and welcoming family, the work is not onerous, the pay by local standards is pretty good. You could perhaps pay her more than you are, but the basic circumstances are not, in my opinion, exploitatative. You are not, for example, paying her under what would be the equivalent of the minimum wage. She's not working under inhumane conditions. Nobody is forcing her to do this work.
 
Can you teach her when she's in your home? Not just English, but anything. What are you good at? What are your interests? Share, teach.
 
_angel_ said:
Why should someone employ a cleaner?
:confused:
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Because if no one who could afford to employ cleaners did so, then all the cleaners would be sitting on the dole....


_angel_ said:
Btw as an ex house cleaner you would be expected to pay rather more than the minimum wage. Especially if you live in London and the SE. Otherwise it's not really worth the hassle for three hours a week.
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I suspect most cleaners work more than 3 hours a week, and few of them are paid more than the minimum wage. In fact when the minimum wage came into effect many companies paid them just that then charged them for their cleaning supplies to grub some of the money back.

Plus he isn't in the SE of the UK.
 
Again, I'd just say, ask her/them what would best help her/them, that is within your capabilities, try to make sure you are not putting too onerous a workload on her and do the best you can under the circumstances. Accept also that you can't wave a magic wand and make everything okay for the whole country.
 
God, what choices some people have available to them... :(

But yeah, cant she work less hours a week at yours so that she can go to school but be paid the same...she's only 13 for christs sake!! I know you guys only have a limited income - are you not able to work out there to supplement it, I mean, you have a growing baby to support.

Sorry for asking, but if you're not working (and sorry if I assume incorrectly) why do you need a maid to help you care for your baby and home? :confused:

ok, just double checked and you're helping in the local schools with English? Arent you being paid or is it volunteer work?
 
he's not being paid. He's not allowed to take on paid work either.


Basically their choice is take her on, pay her what they can, help her where they can with education, health, family etc.

OR

Not take her on, sleep soundly in their beds at night knowing that they haven't colluded in a culture of child labour, and while they sleep soundly, she can get work for £3 per month, not get any schooling at all, get married off and start producing more children that she can't afford. Yay for western liberal sensibilities! Result!
 
Papingo said:
he's not being paid. He's not allowed to take on paid work either.


Basically their choice is take her on, pay her what they can, help her where they can with education, health, family etc.

OR

Not take her on, sleep soundly in their beds at night knowing that they haven't colluded in a culture of child labour, and while they sleep soundly, she can get work for £3 per month, not get any schooling at all, get married off and start producing more children that she can't afford. Yay for western liberal sensibilities! Result!
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Well, it's definitely been sold to you there, hasnt it? :D

And how about hiring the mother so that the KID can go to school...he talked about the father and why he wont do the work but not the mother.
 
Maybe she needs to be at home to look after the other kids? Or do the work they do at home that he mentioned, which is perhaps harder work than the girl is doing. dunno. I didn't notice anything specifically addressing that point.

I just know you can't simply transfer our social mores onto the situation, but deal with it within the reality of the situation there.
 
derf said:
Golly
Angel - I can't employ the mother or father. A man here would never consider that type of work and the mother works the family farm and cracker business. By farm I mean a small plot of land able to produce a small income. Usually they are about the size of an allotment in the UK.
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There it is. :)
 
So... pay the child the same but reduce her hours so she can go to school more! It's not like your life will crumble if your maid is around for fewer hours ffs.
 
Btw, I don't think "things are different here, it's ok to pay children to do menial labour for us instead of getting an education" is a good enough excuse to be a shit.
 
You're employing a 13 year old and you're paying her £12 a month?

No, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

What's your income like over there? Cos if it's the same as in the UK I'd suggest you paid her what you'd be paying in the Uk. Where, you know, we have laws about this sort of thing....
 
derf said:
She has no living expenses and has free food. ...I'm told her last job paid 3 quid a month and much harder work.....she gets free food that is far more and far better than she would be getting at home and a much nicer place to live...... she watches TV with us and eats at the same table....we bought her a school uniform so she could start attending school again.
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You make it sounds like you're doing her a favour :( You really sound like you're trying to justify something you know isn't right. If you aren't working, why do you need to hire a maid to look after your kid?

I dunno...it sounds like you're just enjoying the benefits of being able to exploit other peoples poverty cos you're "a bit shagged out not getting much sleep". I wonder how the kid you've hired feels? If you're so keen to throw yourself into the local culture that you're willing to hire a child for a pittance, maybe you should be willing to work as hard as the people you're living around, rather than facing such a quandry cos you're a "bit shagged out".
 
derf said:
So am I a bastard hiring a kid as a worker or am I doing the lass a favour taking her away from a future that would give her nothing?
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why don't you give her a big raise? it'll make you feel better and won't cost much :)
 
God, there's a lot of Western liberal handwringing going on here! Perhaps we should all take due care not to buy any cheap goods produced in sweatshops overseas before levelling criticism at Derf for 'exploiting other people's poverty'.
 
lontok2005 said:
God, there's a lot of Western liberal handwringing going on here! Perhaps we should all take due care not to buy any cheap goods produced in sweatshops overseas before levelling criticism at Derf for 'exploiting other people's poverty'.
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that's totally different, would you say it would be acceptable for him to set up and run a sweat shop?
 
scumbalina said:
I have read the thread.
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not with this comment.

You're employing a 13 year old and you're paying her £12 a month?

No, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

What's your income like over there? Cos if it's the same as in the UK I'd suggest you paid her what you'd be paying in the Uk. Where, you know, we have laws about this sort of thing....
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scumbalina said:
You're employing a 13 year old and you're paying her £12 a month?

No, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

What's your income like over there? Cos if it's the same as in the UK I'd suggest you paid her what you'd be paying in the Uk. Where, you know, we have laws about this sort of thing....
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Read the fucking thread.

scumbalina said:
Or can't you hire an adult? :confused:
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How would that help this girl? Bearing in mind that hiring one of her parents is out of the question, as dealt with earlier in the thread.

lontok2005 said:
God, there's a lot of Western liberal handwringing going on here! Perhaps we should all take due care not to buy any cheap goods produced in sweatshops overseas before levelling criticism at Derf for 'exploiting other people's poverty'.
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Isn't there just. :rolleyes:
 
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