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Good grief! Entire genome of one organism found inside another's!

Aldebaran said:
Still, I once proved that God exists in the abstract :) On a US forum. In a thread (not mine) called : Logical proof of God's existance" ;)

salaam.
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I knew it. It's dwyer's Islamic twin. Separated at birth or what?
 
The suggestion was not made by me, I'm afraid.
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Spontaneous means a self-generated event, typically requiring no outside influence or help

You said that life, not the universe, came into being spontaneously, that it created itself. So yes, that was the suggestion you made.

Maybe the more simple minded take that easy way out.
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So you don't think that some entity created everything then?

If there was no beginning of the universe, there hardly could ever have been a beginning of life on this globe
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It's still a separate issue from the beginings of life - some creator could have willed the universe into being in a BB event and then left it to get on with itself - so it's entirely possible, even within the framework of creationism, that life emerged external to some entities will.
 
kyser_soze said:
Spontaneous means a self-generated event, typically requiring no outside influence or help

You said that life, not the universe, came into being spontaneously, that it created itself. So yes, that was the suggestion you made.
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No, I didn't. If you think anyone who believes God exists would ever make such a suggestion, you are hardly qualified to talk about what they believe or don't.

So you don't think that some entity created everything then?
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You are still confused (The Creator of All is not an entity. To begin with) and if you can't resist comparing me with US Creationist Nutcases, be my guest, but do not expect me to reply on that.

salaam.
 
Crispy said:
That would be nice. I like to imagine doing it while I'm still alive, though.
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See why I didn't study science... too ambitious... such a constant challenge for my patience and temper, I wouldn't survive.

salaam.
 
You are still confused (The Creator of All is not an entity. To begin with) and if you can't resist comparing me with US Creationist Nutcases, be my guest, but do not expect me to reply on that.
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You believe in a fairy story from where I'm standing - this thing you call God is a manifestation of early humanities questions about where we all came from, and as such belongs with other gems like rubbing your face with a toad to cure warts and that waving a couple of sticks around is a way to locate water sources, not to mention the requirement for a narrative to feel safe in the universe (and of course to feel greatful that such an entity created us in the first place)

No, I didn't. If you think anyone who believes God exists would ever make such a suggestion, you are hardly qualified to talk about what they believe or don't
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I apologise, it was Crispy who introduced sponenaity into proceedings, you said this:

The day you can prove to me that you can create a really, true vacuum to begin with and next give me proof that you can create life in it, I
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Oh, and incidentally - I used to have faith in the fairy, for most of my young life until about 14, when my crisis started and wasn't resolved until around my mid 20s - so I do know what life is like as a theist...
 
Please - not this thread. Crispy - do some selective destructionin' or summat. :mad:
 
kyser_soze said:
Oh, and incidentally - I used to have faith in the fairy, for most of my young life until about 14, when my crisis started and wasn't resolved until around my mid 20s - so I do know what life is like as a theist...
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Your past is not mine and not my business, and I am not in the least interested in a "discussion" with someone who thinks he has something to say about my beliefs because he went through a crisis on his. Why don't you start a website dedicated to your former beliefs and what you think about it?

salaam.
 
You were all asked to quit a while ago - I wasn't singling anyone out. One of you go start a flame-fest thread or summat. :)
 
ymu said:
You were all asked to quit a while ago - I wasn't singling anyone out. One of you go start a flame-fest thread or summat. :)
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No. (x2)
I didn't bring religion into this at all. Hence any remark on me answering such posts is targetting the wrong person.
Curiously, "someone" inevitably comes along to bring religion (or God's existance) into discussions where science is involved and where I participate.

salaam.
 
Crispy said:
Why not? Until now, the only known major mechanisms for the addition of new genetic material to an organism were a) Sexual reproduction and b)Mutation. This discovery opens up an entirely new avenue for evolutionary theory. Some evolutionary changes seem too large or complex to have happened in a single 'step' - this new mechanism might explain how multiple traits can suddenly reveal themselves, or how a species might suddenly find itself with many more opportunities for benficial mutation. This is a big deal.
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Ok, right I see what you mean. But doesn't it sound from the link as if in fact the fruitfly "quarantined" the alien genome in its Dna so that it couldn't get messed up by it?
 
Aldebaran said:
No. (x2)
I didn't bring religion into this at all. Hence any remark on me answering such posts is targetting the wrong person.
Curiously, "someone" inevitably comes along to bring religion (or God's existance) into discussions where science is involved and where I participate.

salaam.
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I know. It's because they don't recognise that their brand of atheism is ever bit as fervent, ignorant and bigoted as they claim religion is. You just happened to be the last person in the to-and-fro before I posted. :)
 
Demosthenes said:
Ok, right I see what you mean. But doesn't it sound from the link as if in fact the fruitfly "quarantined" the alien genome in its Dna so that it couldn't get messed up by it?
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Wouldn't that imply a plan? And most parasites that much tinier than the host are very numerous in number - they'd have to absorb an awful lot.
 
Crispy said:
That would be nice. I like to imagine doing it while I'm still alive, though.
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It's a nice dream, but there's virtually no frontier of science left that doesn't need a team because it's impossible for one person to have all the skills necessary. Physicists and mathematicians, obviously; biological biochemists and chemical biochemists working in pairs because neither can be good enough at both the biological and chemical processes concerned. In most fields it's just bad practice to encourage someone to do lone research unless it's very specialised to their skills.

Soz. Newton was the last man with a shot at achieving your dream. :(

'Citin' though, innit? :)
 
It was this rather cheap shot at atheism that did it...

The day you can prove to me that you can create a really, true vacuum to begin with and next give me proof that you can create life in it, I shall probably be inclined to take atheists without adding a ton of salt to their usual rethoric.
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But then this is classic passive-aggressiveness from Aldy - 'Oh I didn't say that'...no, not directly...
 
ymu said:
I know. It's because they don't recognise that their brand of atheism is ever bit as fervent, ignorant and bigoted as they claim religion is. You just happened to be the last person in the to-and-fro before I posted. :)
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Oh do fuck off. I'm a nice, well behaved atheist until someone waves a red cape in front of me...
 
So explain the scientific theories/speculations - there's no need to batter on about religion at all at all unless your belief is so urgently important you feel the need to have other people share it and belittle those that don't. Which would make you as bad as you claim they are.
 
Semlamlar pointed out that Mitochondria and chloroplasts (The energy conversion bits of animals and green plants respectively); have long been known to be of bacterial origin.

When the host cell divides mitochondrial DNA is passed on, for example. Enabling the offspring cell to have a mitochondrion.

What is of interest here, is that the bacterium in question goes one further and actually encodes itself onto the host genome.


This has been pointed out before.

It in no way whatsoever messes with evolution by natural selection.

Some might wish it did.

"So explain the scientific theories/speculations - there's no need to batter on about religion at all at all unless your belief is so urgently important you feel the need to have other people share it and belittle those that don't. Which would make you as bad as you claim they are."

Like Kyser, no doubt, I shall be off starting a war tommorow.

Except, that's precisely what we Atheists don't do isn't it YMU?

Bit embarrassing that:)
 
We all have the genomes of any number of viruses encoded within our own genomes. Add them all up and you're more virus than human :)

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As every organism on this planet came from the same pond, that hardly surprises me.

The discontinuous thinking of my co-specifics, whilst it doesn't surprise me, does, however disappoint me.
 
SpookyFrank said:
We all have the genomes of any number of viruses encoded within our own genomes. Add them all up and you're more virus than human :)

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By that logic we're more pea than human also. Chance is a wonderful thing if you give it enough goes to work out good. :)
 
kyser_soze said:
After a freak genetic accident, Ymu was left more pea than human...

Loving that.
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:D Havin' problems with the ol' testosterone there KS? :D
 
Nah, I just love the phrase 'more pea than human'...there's gotta be a cheap kids cartoon and merchandising range in that concept...
 
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