Saul Goodman
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Gong Baths and guided meditation now in Brixton...at effraspace
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phillm
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It's a form of sound therapy innit.
And sound is vibration. The idea being proposed is to use the effect of vibration on cells...in the body.... knowing that we are mostly made of water helps understand the theory and practice. It's something I've had a huge interest in for a long time.
Sound is also something that is being used in medicine. From the very simple use of tuning forks to check fractures.....to the use of sound in the treatment of cancer.
Applications of Sound in Medicine | EEWeb Community
Also, have a look at the effects of sound frequencies on particles. .... ie...cymatics...
It's fascinating to watch.....and shows how different frequencies/ tones impact/ act on matter. This one is just really cool...lol
Masaru Emoto ... looked at the effect of sound on water....and it's effect on the way that water crystals are formed...it's an interesting read. He tried to show that tonal sounds, positive sounds created a different water crystal to atonal...he also used words... What the Bleep Do We Know!? | Water Crystals
His work has been criticised though as speculative and there were claims that the water had been contaminated...
But it's an interesting theory nonetheless.
Eastern medicine and all aboriginal societies have traditionally used sound as therapy for thousands of years...There is renewed interest in the use of sound to heal.
The medical world is one that is recently (as in the past 60 yrs) looking at sound and how frequencies effect the cells in our body.
Sound medicine
The articles in the site above are worth a look....particularly the ones on the use of ultrasound and microbubbles in the treatment of prostate cancers.
I think that "sound healing" .in the form of striking and listening to bowls , drums and gongs etc is obviously not a scientifically proven medicine...but I do think that science will prove the effects of sound and different frequencies on the body and mind at some stage. I'll hold my hand up and say that I've used and still use tibetan singing bowls... they produce pure tones.... these tones are relaxing and have a calming effect...but it's not the same as listening to music in other ways, because there is a very strong vibrational sense from them. This is a physical sensation that is more than comforting. I can't attest to them being a cure for anything. And I would definitely not claim that they cure disease ....
apart from dis-ease
Over the past two years I've used singing bowls with very distressed ASD children. I think that the sounds / vibrations these instruments produce and the vibrational effect when held, is more than relaxing. From my personal perspective, coming from holding and feeling the vibrations from these bowls, the effect feels like a very fast way into a state of mind you usually experience when very relaxed but not sleepy...if that makes sense. In other words a meditative state. I know....it's anecdotal...but I find crystal singing bowls very calming as a form of fast tracking to a very calm state of being.
And the effect lasts.
I respect science and I'm sure that there will be a lot more use of scientific research into sound as medicine.
This is not to equate gongs, bowls etc with either science or medicine. Its very important that any medical claims be researched and proven. I fully understand that people react to perceived quackery and I think a lot more will have to be proven before anyone believes that a gong or a bowl can cure anything.....
I would look at what's going on in the world of medicine and the use of sound waves...and also the world of therapeutic medicine where western medicine is beginning to see the positive effects of what would be viewed as alternative. Sound therapy is a recognised therapy....one that is increasingly being used in hospitals, schools and nursing homes. To date it's use is purely for stress relief, control of anxiety, an aid to relieving depression, and an aid to elevation of mood. These alone would have significant impacts on our health longterm.
Having said all that....all I can say from personal experience and speaking as a musician, there is something very therapeutic about the sounds and vibrations produced by such instruments as tibetan bowls, gongs, crystal singing bowls.
I'll leave you with a singing bowl meditation...
Jazzz has a life-changing acid trip and got religion and has decided to revisit his old haunts as an act of homage....- first saw these at the Big Chill and they are in the healing fields at Glastonbury and woods at Womad - looks like fun and always seems busy so folk must like it... can't though hlep feeling probably unfairly of Harry Enfield and his tat shop I Saw You Coming....
PS...some of the comments on this video are hilarious..
If you read the responses correctly, you will see that someone else conflated words regarding frequency taken from the quote at the end with the Schumann resonance. They are not related, and I did not claim that they were one and the same
Athos
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Probably just say that to give the illusion that it's powerful.
bubblesmcgrath
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Vibration. ... my guess.
The vibration from singing bowls is very strong. I'm assuming gongs are similar.
Pregnant women are advised not to use singing bowls either. If it's placed on them, as is done...then it could cause problems. These are not little vibes...they are pretty strong and sometimes surprisingly so. Full body vibration,
That's my guess. ...but someone medicallyou minded might explain vibration and pregnancy better.
Pregnancy and vibrations - Wiki
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phillm
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Sad to say I was once perfectly sane , but was cruelly taken in by the hyped-up promises of the 'new shiny-happy ME' that serial gong-bathing would provide and now in what I think was a direct result of that - have ;
a) lost my hearing (so no longer able to benefit fully from the Gong bathing experience)
b) much , much worse have lost my already tenuously held sanity as a result of being so easily suckered into new age nonsense and so am forbidden from taking further gong bath sessions (see t&cs of OP) which just might have effected a cure.
My conclusion .
When your hear the gong - run in the opposite direction as fast as you can (and overtake the Gingerbread man on the way).
a) lost my hearing (so no longer able to benefit fully from the Gong bathing experience)
b) much , much worse have lost my already tenuously held sanity as a result of being so easily suckered into new age nonsense and so am forbidden from taking further gong bath sessions (see t&cs of OP) which just might have effected a cure.
My conclusion .
When your hear the gong - run in the opposite direction as fast as you can (and overtake the Gingerbread man on the way).
bi0boy
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Why would vibrations be bad for pregnant women but good for everyone else? Surely on the available evidence from, for example, industrial injuries, they are likely to bad for everybody.
bubblesmcgrath
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I think the gist would be that vibrations might harm the foetus?
Also...and bear in mind I'm no expert....You limit the time to 20 -30 minutes and the actual contact would be even less. I suspect it's being ultra careful of the foetus.
bi0boy
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But I thought they had healing properties
What else might they harm? How about a dodgy heart?
bubblesmcgrath
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But I thought they had healing properties
What else might they harm? How about a dodgy heart?
I'd check with a doctor before doing any alternative therapies if you've a dodgy heart.
bi0boy
Power User
What if you're not aware of whether you have a dodgy heart or not? Should people get an ECG done before doing any alternative therapies, especially those thought to damage foetuses?
urbanspaceman
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A foetus is a composed of delicate tissues suspended in amniotic fluid. My brain is composed of delicate tissues suspended in cerebrospinal fluid. If gonging could be harmful for foetuses, doesn't the same consideration apply to brains ?
bubblesmcgrath
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Quite possibly...
and you shouldn't go on roller coasters either or drive off road.
and you shouldn't go on roller coasters either or drive off road.
bubblesmcgrath
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Just to clarify....
I was referring to vibration on roller coasters and off road vehicles.....
And yes...advice would be not to roller coaster or go off roading whilst pregnant...reason being...amongst others that strong full body vibration can damage a foetus.
maomao
普費斯
Well you need to be more careful because at the moment your advertising is confusing and quite possibly in breech of the law.
Athos
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Yeah, but the medico-indusstrial complex is hiding that, as there's no money in gongs. Obvs.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
big gong is lying to you
The gong industry doesn't want gong cures it wants gong treatment
The gong industry doesn't want gong cures it wants gong treatment
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bubblesmcgrath
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They're a nice way to relax... de-stress...etc.... that may help with other health problems. I don't think, or at least it has never been proven without a shadow of a doubt that sound therapy has actually single handedly cured any disease.
I'm really torn cos part of me loves singing bowls and the stress relief, meditation and calmness I feel when using them..... The rest of me knows that absolute proof of medical.cures is necessary to say that they or any other alternative therapies are sound* ...
(*as in :- believable)...
I'm really torn cos part of me loves singing bowls and the stress relief, meditation and calmness I feel when using them..... The rest of me knows that absolute proof of medical.cures is necessary to say that they or any other alternative therapies are sound* ...
(*as in :- believable)...
isvicthere?
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bi0boy
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Apparently gongs are imbued with keywords.
From the OP's website (quotation marks my own):
Paiste Planet Gongs are hand made and tuned in Germany to produce certain root frequencies, as calculated by "scientist" Hans Cousto on the basis of the mass, speed of rotation, and orbit of the planetary bodies in the Solar System, including several significant moons and asteroids. The Earth gong represents our connection to our home planet, and the original, creative sound of Aum. Gong pitch: C# (136.1 Hz - 32nd octave) Rules: Earth's Yearly Seasonal Cycle Character: Midlife, grounding, balance Chakra: Heart and Throat Key Words Nature, nurturing, healing, grounding, material gain, creativity, concentration, remembrance, birth, youth, midlife, wisdom, and experience.
I note his special pitches are derived from the rotation of the earth by simply going:
1 day (24 hours . 60 minutes . 60 seconds = 86 400 seconds).
The frequency of the rotation of Earth around its own axis:
1 : 86 400 seconds = 0.000 011 574 Hz (cycle per second)
This frequency multiple doubled into the audible range:
0.000 011 574 Hz x 224 = 194.18 Hz (224 means 24-fold doubling).
I suppose it doesn't matter that the actual rotation won't correspond to this notional one - perhaps a leap semitone is added as needed or something.
Anyway, based on this special science you can buy from him tuning forks from 36 euros each, or a space flute for 189 euros each (sets available).
You can of course, also buy your own gong, to do your own gong bath sessions. The gongs are £26,198 euros each so you better have some money saved up and a good business plan.
edit: I see cheaper gongs are available. It's a bit like pizzas.
From the OP's website (quotation marks my own):
Paiste Planet Gongs are hand made and tuned in Germany to produce certain root frequencies, as calculated by "scientist" Hans Cousto on the basis of the mass, speed of rotation, and orbit of the planetary bodies in the Solar System, including several significant moons and asteroids. The Earth gong represents our connection to our home planet, and the original, creative sound of Aum. Gong pitch: C# (136.1 Hz - 32nd octave) Rules: Earth's Yearly Seasonal Cycle Character: Midlife, grounding, balance Chakra: Heart and Throat Key Words Nature, nurturing, healing, grounding, material gain, creativity, concentration, remembrance, birth, youth, midlife, wisdom, and experience.
I note his special pitches are derived from the rotation of the earth by simply going:
1 day (24 hours . 60 minutes . 60 seconds = 86 400 seconds).
The frequency of the rotation of Earth around its own axis:
1 : 86 400 seconds = 0.000 011 574 Hz (cycle per second)
This frequency multiple doubled into the audible range:
0.000 011 574 Hz x 224 = 194.18 Hz (224 means 24-fold doubling).
I suppose it doesn't matter that the actual rotation won't correspond to this notional one - perhaps a leap semitone is added as needed or something.
Anyway, based on this special science you can buy from him tuning forks from 36 euros each, or a space flute for 189 euros each (sets available).
You can of course, also buy your own gong, to do your own gong bath sessions. The gongs are £26,198 euros each so you better have some money saved up and a good business plan.
edit: I see cheaper gongs are available. It's a bit like pizzas.
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phillm
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crikey -apart from the ear-watering price it's not all sonic gravy - there is a dark underbelly the vested interests of the global gong industry don't want you to know about. One of the Gong enthusiasts is dimissive of such problems as the wont of quacks the world over .
There seems to be an adjustment happening here. i would try to get the client to come back and go through the 'layer'. Lets not fall into conventional medicine thinking here. What happened was a shift and perhaps it didnt quite finish. Some gentle gong working on the heart chakra to complete what went before. Venus and Chiron gentle and soothing.
I attended for the 2nd time the healing hertz gong sound bath in Sydney the 7th June and was dismayed to report of the unfortunate affect it had on me. Let me say i thoroughly enjoyed my 1st gong bath and was looking forward to the 2nd after the previous Sydney performance sold out and i was not able to get a ticket.
During the crescendo of the performance with the waves of sound from the large gongs flowing through me to the point i felt like i was lifted off the ground. It was all encompassing and it caused my heart to go into atrial fibrillation. i was only aware at the time of feeling uncomfortable through the rest of the performance. I realised it had occurred when i walked outside after the performance and felt my pulse which was irregular.
I went home and to sleep immediately hoping my heart rhythm would revert back to normal. However after a restless night i woke with shortness of breath and chest tension / pain. I went to emergency and had a cardio-version done under anaesthetic to get my heart rhythm back in synch and out of A-fib.
GongForum.co.uk
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Fucks sake
