nogojones
spelling is overrated
Is that really a tribe?
Gong Baths and guided meditation now in Brixton...at effraspace
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bi0boy
Power User
I suppose you don't need a tribe to be a tribal elder.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
He doesn't look particularly elderly either
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
I thoroughly recommend doing buckets in the bath whilst listening to Camembert Electrique.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I would love to see someone come on here and try and expound the medical benefits of psytrance.
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
Dancing innit? Healthier than sitting at your keyboard.I would love to see someone come on here and try and expound the medical benefits of psytrance.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Dancing innit? Healthier than sitting at your keyboard.
Not given the drugs needed to make trance enjoyable.
Given the ageing demographic, I assume that's pretty close to being ovaltine and a plate of rich teas.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Listening to trance on the wireless
Thanks, Urbanspaceman, for your questions.
- Proof of healing
The sound vibrations produced by gongs work in a similar way on the body to Ultrasound and Infrasound, though the source is mechanical rather than electrically created, and a far greater spectrum of frequencies are produced. Some attendees physically feel the vibrations, and some do not. Here are some links you might like to read: Direct effects of music in non-auditory cells in culture. - PubMed - NCBI and this article Why Sound Heals the second being from a general well-being publication and which covers a number of topics you have mentioned.
- proof that stress is moderated is provided by the responses of attendees. Here are some examples:
"The gong ‘bath’ made me feel like I was being played like a musical instrument. The session was deeply relaxing, and I emerged feeling really peaceful and that all was right with the world. "
"Thank you for a most enlightening experience. I felt a powerful, deep emotional resonance, the effects of which I am still experiencing hours afterwards."
And this, from a corporate participant: " I'll never be the same again!"
- An altered (i.e. meditative) state of consciousness is often - though not always - the result of listening to 'noise' that does not contain melody or specific rhythm. Many people use so called 'white noise' to aid sleep. The sound produced by gongs is not musical as such, and provides an audioscape that allows the busy, everyday mind to go into a neutral, non-verbal state. Meditation is proven to aid stress reduction, and listening to an external sound source makes achieving a meditative state easier.
- 'heal what is sick' is extracted from a quote which was included here in it's entirety. From my personal experience of people who attend, many report a sense of well-being, and some have experienced relief of physical symptoms. I have not claimed a cure for anything, it should be noted.
- The delicate mechanisms/settings of a pacemaker can be disrupted by the powerful vibrations produced by large gongs, which can be very loud. It is not recommended for pregnant women, especially those in the first trimester, because fluid conducts sound very efficiently, and there would be a risk that the vibrations around the foetus may cause miscarriage. Certain medical implants - especially if they have been in place for some time - appear, from direct experience of people attending, to pose no problem at all. These include plates and rods screwed to broken bones. In fact, both people with such implants who attended a session reported an improvement in their levels of comfort.
- Because the sound of the gongs can induce a deep meditative, almost trance-like state, there is a risk that people suffering from severe mental issues such as psychosis may be triggered, and for that reason it is not recommended. It actually seems to have an uplifting effect on people with depression or stress.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
bi0boy
Power User
So they looked at cells in a plastic dish - can't really draw any conclusions about human health.
However we have stuff like "...suggesting an increase in cell death... increase in corticosterone serum levels ...long-term reduction of proliferating cells in the hippocampal formation....treatment of cells with Beethoven's 5 th Symphony or Ligeti's Atmospheres decreased cellular viability, whereas Mozart's Sonata did not alter the cellular viability."
None of these are nice things. They basically damaging animal tissue by subjecting it to 100dB noise.
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
I'm not entirely convinced you fully understand the concept of "proof".
In order for you to fully understand,why not try it , and then you'd be able to speak from experience.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
They might fall over and land on you.
bi0boy
Power User
If they're not safe when you're pregnant then any woman of child-bearing age should not be admitted to the sessions without being assessed first by the organiser.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
There is something to be said for the power of placebo. But one of the properties that scientists use to distinguish those things with actually positive medical effects from anything else that might make a patient feel good, is providing results that are better than a placebo. In other words, if treatment X gives better results in a trial involving multiple subjects than sugar pill Y, then that's an indicator of a medically effective treatment.
I'd probably find a gong bath relaxing. But that still doesn't support the claims made in the original post.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Anecdote != Proof
The best proof is to try it. Then you will know.
maomao
普費斯
That's exactly what anecdotal evidence means. What else could it mean?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
It's a form of sound therapy innit.
And sound is vibration. The idea being proposed is to use the effect of vibration on cells...in the body.... knowing that we are mostly made of water helps understand the theory and practice. It's something I've had a huge interest in for a long time.
Sound is also something that is being used in medicine. From the very simple use of tuning forks to check fractures.....to the use of sound in the treatment of cancer.
Applications of Sound in Medicine | EEWeb Community
Also, have a look at the effects of sound frequencies on particles. .... ie...cymatics...
It's fascinating to watch.....and shows how different frequencies/ tones impact/ act on matter. This one is just really cool...lol
Masaru Emoto ... looked at the effect of sound on water....and it's effect on the way that water crystals are formed...it's an interesting read. He tried to show that tonal sounds, positive sounds created a different water crystal to atonal...he also used words... What the Bleep Do We Know!? | Water Crystals
His work has been criticised though as speculative and there were claims that the water had been contaminated...
But it's an interesting theory nonetheless.
Eastern medicine and all aboriginal societies have traditionally used sound as therapy for thousands of years...There is renewed interest in the use of sound to heal.
The medical world is one that is recently (as in the past 60 yrs) looking at sound and how frequencies effect the cells in our body.
Sound medicine
The articles in the site above are worth a look....particularly the ones on the use of ultrasound and microbubbles in the treatment of prostate cancers.
I think that "sound healing" .in the form of striking and listening to bowls , drums and gongs etc is obviously not a scientifically proven medicine...but I do think that science will prove the effects of sound and different frequencies on the body and mind at some stage. I'll hold my hand up and say that I've used and still use tibetan singing bowls... they produce pure tones.... these tones are relaxing and have a calming effect...but it's not the same as listening to music in other ways, because there is a very strong vibrational sense from them. This is a physical sensation that is more than comforting. I can't attest to them being a cure for anything. And I would definitely not claim that they cure disease ....
apart from dis-ease
Over the past two years I've used singing bowls with very distressed ASD children. I think that the sounds / vibrations these instruments produce and the vibrational effect when held, is more than relaxing. From my personal perspective, coming from holding and feeling the vibrations from these bowls, the effect feels like a very fast way into a state of mind you usually experience when very relaxed but not sleepy...if that makes sense. In other words a meditative state. I know....it's anecdotal...but I find crystal singing bowls very calming as a form of fast tracking to a very calm state of being.
And the effect lasts.
I respect science and I'm sure that there will be a lot more use of scientific research into sound as medicine.
This is not to equate gongs, bowls etc with either science or medicine. Its very important that any medical claims be researched and proven. I fully understand that people react to perceived quackery and I think a lot more will have to be proven before anyone believes that a gong or a bowl can cure anything.....
I would look at what's going on in the world of medicine and the use of sound waves...and also the world of therapeutic medicine where western medicine is beginning to see the positive effects of what would be viewed as alternative. Sound therapy is a recognised therapy....one that is increasingly being used in hospitals, schools and nursing homes. To date it's use is purely for stress relief, control of anxiety, an aid to relieving depression, and an aid to elevation of mood. These alone would have significant impacts on our health longterm.
Having said all that....all I can say from personal experience and speaking as a musician, there is something very therapeutic about the sounds and vibrations produced by such instruments as tibetan bowls, gongs, crystal singing bowls.
I'll leave you with a singing bowl meditation...
PS...some of the comments on this video are hilarious..
And sound is vibration. The idea being proposed is to use the effect of vibration on cells...in the body.... knowing that we are mostly made of water helps understand the theory and practice. It's something I've had a huge interest in for a long time.
Sound is also something that is being used in medicine. From the very simple use of tuning forks to check fractures.....to the use of sound in the treatment of cancer.
Applications of Sound in Medicine | EEWeb Community
Also, have a look at the effects of sound frequencies on particles. .... ie...cymatics...
It's fascinating to watch.....and shows how different frequencies/ tones impact/ act on matter. This one is just really cool...lol
Masaru Emoto ... looked at the effect of sound on water....and it's effect on the way that water crystals are formed...it's an interesting read. He tried to show that tonal sounds, positive sounds created a different water crystal to atonal...he also used words... What the Bleep Do We Know!? | Water Crystals
His work has been criticised though as speculative and there were claims that the water had been contaminated...
But it's an interesting theory nonetheless.
Eastern medicine and all aboriginal societies have traditionally used sound as therapy for thousands of years...There is renewed interest in the use of sound to heal.
The medical world is one that is recently (as in the past 60 yrs) looking at sound and how frequencies effect the cells in our body.
Sound medicine
The articles in the site above are worth a look....particularly the ones on the use of ultrasound and microbubbles in the treatment of prostate cancers.
I think that "sound healing" .in the form of striking and listening to bowls , drums and gongs etc is obviously not a scientifically proven medicine...but I do think that science will prove the effects of sound and different frequencies on the body and mind at some stage. I'll hold my hand up and say that I've used and still use tibetan singing bowls... they produce pure tones.... these tones are relaxing and have a calming effect...but it's not the same as listening to music in other ways, because there is a very strong vibrational sense from them. This is a physical sensation that is more than comforting. I can't attest to them being a cure for anything. And I would definitely not claim that they cure disease ....
apart from dis-ease
Over the past two years I've used singing bowls with very distressed ASD children. I think that the sounds / vibrations these instruments produce and the vibrational effect when held, is more than relaxing. From my personal perspective, coming from holding and feeling the vibrations from these bowls, the effect feels like a very fast way into a state of mind you usually experience when very relaxed but not sleepy...if that makes sense. In other words a meditative state. I know....it's anecdotal...but I find crystal singing bowls very calming as a form of fast tracking to a very calm state of being.
And the effect lasts.
I respect science and I'm sure that there will be a lot more use of scientific research into sound as medicine.
This is not to equate gongs, bowls etc with either science or medicine. Its very important that any medical claims be researched and proven. I fully understand that people react to perceived quackery and I think a lot more will have to be proven before anyone believes that a gong or a bowl can cure anything.....
I would look at what's going on in the world of medicine and the use of sound waves...and also the world of therapeutic medicine where western medicine is beginning to see the positive effects of what would be viewed as alternative. Sound therapy is a recognised therapy....one that is increasingly being used in hospitals, schools and nursing homes. To date it's use is purely for stress relief, control of anxiety, an aid to relieving depression, and an aid to elevation of mood. These alone would have significant impacts on our health longterm.
Having said all that....all I can say from personal experience and speaking as a musician, there is something very therapeutic about the sounds and vibrations produced by such instruments as tibetan bowls, gongs, crystal singing bowls.
I'll leave you with a singing bowl meditation...
PS...some of the comments on this video are hilarious..
Wow.
Just, wow
Edit: I do like the alternative, though.
"I'll tell you a funny story. Just the other day, I was going for a pint of milk at the coop when I accidentally recruited 3,218 people to a double blinded randomised control trial of a complex intervention..."
bimble
floofy
I mind about science claims, not the ones on shampoo adverts but the ones claiming to cure illness or pain. My Mum's a gullible hippie with some health problems who has been taken advantage of for years by folk peddling kinetic crystal rainbow herbs and it makes me angry.
Gong bath sounds nice probably not great if what ails you is a headache tho.
Gong bath sounds nice probably not great if what ails you is a headache tho.
