goldie to support sex pistols

[editor]

Here's an example of punk's legacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Grrrl

Oh, and just to make myself clear here: I'm not of the opinion that punk wasn't as stuffed full of racist twats, misogynistic buffoons and lunkheads as your average pub, but I'm discussing the overall legacy of punk and the cultural changes it helped forge.

It's now hard to imagine the attitudes that were around in the 70s, but anyone who lived through punk will now the massive changes it brought about.

And as Dub has pointed out, it's impossible to compare the two periods, but I don't buy the argument that d'n'b is as culturally or as politically significant as punk was. Show me d'n'b's Clash. Show me d'n'b's The Slits, The Raincoats, TRB and other politically motivated acts...

 

[ouchmonkey]

riot grrrl, bless it, is surely not the best you can do is it?

I know it's not so I'm gonna quit being so arsey, it's not amusing anymore.
but time wise riot grrl and d'n'b are just about contemporary with each other..................
so we could compare them if we were really that bored.
I was just listeniong to Bikini Kill - perversely enough.
Or we could consider the influence of punk on d'n'b itself perhaps,

the idea that it would/could/or even should have its own Clash or Slits or whoever is just silly though.
The importance of the artist has been turned down to the minimum level in favour of the collective experience, punk's "anyone can do it" thing taken to a much, much more well realised end.
not that it's something d'n'b could claim as it's own mind

 

[editor]

riot grrrl, bless it, is surely not the best you can do is it?

Let's try again. There's been tons written about the cultural impact of punk. Anti-racism, anti-fascism, feminism, gay rights, DIY culture are all entwined in the story of punk.

Show me something politically significant about d'n'b please that goes past, "ooh, some of the crowds are quite mixed."

Oh hang on. I've just read the rest of your post. Yeah, let's leave it. I've got a hangover after last night and my ears are still ringing.

 

[Pavlik]

I've got a hangover after last night and my ears are still ringing.

so were they worth going to see?
I'd have loved to see the pistols in the 70s but was just a bit too young and a bit too far away at the time.

 

[editor]

so were they worth going to see?

It was fun but a bit odd. Johnny was brilliant - part pantomime dame, part Olivier's Richard III, part sneering punk and a total showman throughout.

Steve Jones looked like an over inflated inner tube, Paul Cook was lean and committed and Glen Matlock looked like he'd just stumbled in from a pub gig somewhere.

The band were tight and it was LOUD. Johnny looked fit, tanned and healthy, sang the songs with gusto, running through a wide variety of hilarious facial expressions and movements.

Viewed as a gig it was a bit strange, but as a piece of theatre it was well worth the money. And if nothing else, you can always bore people in the future by saying: "I saw the Pistols."

 

[Maurice Picarda]

It's now hard to imagine the attitudes that were around in the 70s, but anyone who lived through punk will now the massive changes it brought about.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?

 

[editor]

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?

Sounds like you need a good cough, lad.

 

[JoePolitix]

Double Double

 

[JoePolitix]

Let's try again. There's been tons written about the cultural impact of punk. Anti-racism, anti-fascism, feminism, gay rights, DIY culture are all entwined in the story of punk.

Show me something politically significant about d'n'b please that goes past, "ooh, some of the crowds are quite mixed."

But as others have pointed out the story of punk is also interwined with flirtation with fascism, racism, nihilism and misogyny. Drum n Bass has a clean slate in all of these regards.

Is anybody actually suggesting that drum n bass is an overtly political musical genre?