goldie to support sex pistols

[editor]

I think it was alot to do with the people involved too. People who hadnt been passionate about music for years were suddenly right there, producing, mixing or dancing at DnB parties.

I felt that too. But c'mon - take a look back. What did it change? What's it lastest legacy? You really can't compare it with the immense tidal wave of cultural change that punk brought to these shores.

 

[The_Reverend_M]

I think you're trying to look too deeply into this - I'd say he's on the bill because DnB/Jungle can have the same visceral, raw impact as Punk. Doubt there's much more to it than that tbh.

 

[editor]

I think you're trying to look too deeply into this - I'd say he's on the bill because DnB/Jungle can have the same visceral, raw impact as Punk. Doubt there's much more to it than that tbh.

Oh, I'd have thought they'd go pretty well together. And ianw said they did!

 

[tarannau]

I just saw a load of faded punks, all podge and mohicans, in the cafe near Travelodge in York Rd, obviously sheltering after the Pistols gig.

Not sure it was much of a legacy to be honest...

 

[editor]

I just saw a load of faded punks, all podge and mohicans, in the cafe near Travelodge in York Rd, obviously sheltering after the Pistols gig.

Not sure it was much of a legacy to be honest...

This site would't have happened without the Pistols, so it's not all about middle aged men, faded punks and podge.

Oh, err, hang on..

 

[chazegee]

I once ended up with a girl who took me back to what she claimed was Goldie's house, while he was away. She drunkenly talked me into crow barring a filing cabinet open that she claimed was full of coke.

We woke up terrified the next day and pegged it down to an office furniture sale to find an identical replacement.

Ahhhh, sweet youth.

 

[Pavlik]

I felt that too. But c'mon - take a look back. What did it change? What's it lastest legacy? You really can't compare it with the immense tidal wave of cultural change that punk brought to these shores.

I've always understood how deep the punk influence went because I've witnessed my old punk mates getting involved in all levels of society and they also seem to have had quite a large hand in influencing the free party/festival/dance scene.
I wouldnt go as far as saying the two genres were equal on all levels but they defintely had a similar vibe in their early days.

I reckon most of the pistols fans will be in the bar when goldies on anyway

 

[Pigeon]

I felt that too. But c'mon - take a look back. What did it change? What's it lastest legacy?

Grime and dubstep are both identifiably post-d'n'b genres.

 

[Dr. Furface]

I reckon they'd been reading the recent Urban thread about Unlikley Support Acts...

 

[editor]

Grime and dubstep are both identifiably post-d'n'b genres.

Hardly changed the world though have they? What's their message? What's their politics? Where's The Clash of dubstep?

 

[Eva Luna]

Hello all you Old Farts.

When I was little, all the punks used to sit on the steps on Nottingham whatever (big building in the square) - rows and rows of mohicans and studs, and I used to rock up to them and sit on their knees.

 

[Pigeon]

Hardly changed the world though have they? What's their message? What's their politics? Where's The Clash of dubstep?

No, true. But that's a very ahistorical perspective, IMHO. Punk/the Pistols emerged at a time when conditions were ripe for precisely the sort of shockwave they unleashed. We live in a very different, more atomised world. There will probably never be a movement/event that unites/divides people like punk did, just because, amongst other things, there's so much STUFF to wade through.

As for the (lack of politics), you can't blame the musicians for the fact that we're living in apolitical times. They're soundtracking what's going on, which is, by and large,an individualist, survivalist mentality.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

wtf i thought goldie was some kind of drum and bass dj why he he supporting the sex pistols???

I'll give you a clue

We all get cash from chaos, I believe it went....

 

[Pavlik]

I prefer a bit of brisk lean-to.

I knew there was a joke in there somewhere.
Just took me a while to work it out

 

[mtbskalover]

The big difference being Jungle/D'n'B was produced by vast swathes of different races although remaining a very London sound.

which would make it more like 2-tone ska.

the specials, the selecter, etc.
and i'd say it had about the same inpact.

punk, is and always will be much bigger than d'n'b. its not just music with punk, theres the fashion. whats drum'n'bass got? same as hip-hop, rave, etc really. theres the whole political side of punk, anarchy and all that, whats drum'n'bass got? maybe a few people who want dope and other drugs legalized, but its hardly spraying anarchy A's of old.

ska will never be remebered as much as punk. everyone has heard of the genre of music punk, not everyone has heard ska knowingly, same goes for drum'n'bass.

anyways, i like some drum'n'bass, i love old and new punk,
but goldie and the pistols are both shite!

 

[Pavlik]

but its hardly spraying anarchy A's of old.

do you really think that changed anything?

 

[mtbskalover]

do you really think that changed anything?

nah not really
just trying to raise a point that theres more to punk than just music, whereas d'n'b aint much

 

[Rosco]

Would have prefered Motorhead or the Prodigy but then maybe the Pistols should be supporting! Goldie? In the beautiful dark and crazy world of d & b hes generally pretty poor and almost boring imo (and that takes some doing with d&b!), so I for one will still be in the boozer across the road while the supports on.

 

[isvicthere?]

As for Goldie, he may be a vastly overrated, charmless git who's more visible figurehead than centrepiece of the music. But you can't quibble with Timeless and the innovative studio techniques it helped kick off.

So goldie is the Sid Vicious of DnB?

 

[isvicthere?]

I just saw a load of faded punks, all podge and mohicans, in the cafe near Travelodge in York Rd, obviously sheltering after the Pistols gig.

Not sure it was much of a legacy to be honest...

Yeah, someone should invent a musical genre whose adherents are immune to the effects of ageing, so that thirty years later they will still look "vibrant" and "edgy".

 

[bluestreak]

editor, i think you're wrong about this.

can't type now though, but i thinkyou're missing the important of dnb and its offshotts, and forgetting how different society is now. no movement could have the same impact that punk had in todays environment.

 

[isvicthere?]

As for the (lack of politics), you can't blame the musicians for the fact that we're living in apolitical times. They're soundtracking what's going on, which is, by and large,an individualist, survivalist mentality.

So, where to begin? "Apolitical" times, eh? Iraq, Afghanistan, Bush, Islamist terror, the despoilation of the environment, globalisation, mass migration, housing etc. etc. etc. to mention but a few domestic and international issues

I think when you say "apolitical" you surely mean "apathetic". And IMVHO it's incumbent upon artists, including musicians, to get off their arses and get stuck in, not just wallow in the supine posture you characterise as "individualist".

 

[editor]

no movement could have the same impact that punk had in todays environment.

Which is, err, part of my point. Punk was new. It was fresh. It changed things forever. It kicked down the doors and altered the cultural landscape forever.

Punk brought about massive changes that hit the mainstream hard and challenged opinions in areas like politics, sexuality, clothes, women's rights, racism, fashion and attitude.

How does d'n'b's legacy match up? What did it change? Who and what did it represent? What were its politics? What real differences did it make? What's a d'n'b attitude? Is there even one?

I'm not saying that d'n'b may not have had a big impact on some people's lives, but you really can't compare it to punk.

 

[editor]

So, where to begin? "Apolitical" times, eh? Iraq, Afghanistan, Bush, Islamist terror, the despoilation of the environment, globalisation, mass migration, housing etc. etc. etc. to mention but a few domestic and international issues

I think when you say "apolitical" you surely mean "apathetic". And IMVHO it's incumbent upon artists, including musicians, to get off their arses and get stuck in, not just wallow in the supine posture you characterise as "individualist".

Nicely put, Vic!

 

[aurora green]

I love this thread!
But all I've got to say really, is that at the time, (the mid nineties, the chopper etc) drum & bass definately felt every bit as significant as punk.
It was as exciting, as nihilistic, as fuck-you, as anarchic....

I'm just not sure it's stood the test of time as well as punk...

 

[editor]

Punk is said to have produced a larger number of influential female artists than almost any other pop movement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/01/2006_09_tue.shtml

How did d'n'b build on this, for example?

 

[editor]

How about gay rights and d'n'b? Any proactive campaigning tunes?

Tom Robinson's 'Glad to be Gay' was a top 20 hit. How has d'n'b built on this trailblazing and brave song?

And how about anti-racism? Punk had Rock against Racism. What about d'n'b?

Or maybe it's apparent that there as a lot more to punk than just songs.

 

[Hollis]

But all I've got to say really, is that at the time, (the mid nineties, the chopper etc) drum & bass definately felt every bit as significant as punk.
...

Oh great! Its always great to read these threads and find another cultural revolution has passed you by. oh well.. whatever.

 

[Dubversion]

punk was punk, drum and bass was drum and bass. trying to compare them - and to say one is better than the other - is just fatuous nonsense.

They're not analogous, and nor are the eras in which they functioned.

 

[Augie March]

So, where to begin? "Apolitical" times, eh? Iraq, Afghanistan, Bush, Islamist terror, the despoilation of the environment, globalisation, mass migration, housing etc. etc. etc. to mention but a few domestic and international issues

I think when you say "apolitical" you surely mean "apathetic". And IMVHO it's incumbent upon artists, including musicians, to get off their arses and get stuck in, not just wallow in the supine posture you characterise as "individualist".

Fair point. But musicians who you might say do get stuck in are shot down very quickly in a wave of cynicism. Live 8 and Live Earth were overtly political in their messages, but the perciption of many of those musicians taking part were hardly endearing, many accused of jumping on a bandwagon for the sake of record sales.

It's not easy for a musician these days to take on politics in the same way punk did without coming across as a bit of a posteruing arse. The times have changed and people are less shocked by anything anymore to be prompted into action by radical political statements from musicians. While it's true, drum and bass doesn't lend itself politically to any particular movement, but I feel it still carries a freedom of expression in the genre's music, that perhaps the punk explosion left in it's wake. And it's this, not the lecturing by millionaire popstars, that may prompt a change in people's attitudes. For that alone I feel, I can see how the two genres are linked.