God

[Flavour]

prove it

it's self-evident

 

[118118]

nothing is not a thing. but existence is not a predicate (or something).

 

[Flavour]

does nothing exist? no. of course not. stuff exists. therefore, there is no nothing. anywhere, anytime. something cannot come out of nothing - so therefore there has always been some thing. believing in nothing is silly.

BELIEVE IN EXISTENCE BROTHERS! IT'S HERE TO STAY!

 

[118118]

yes, but existence is not a predicate

 

[Flavour]

or something

 

[Flavour]

you got proof for yer statement btw as i dont buy it.

 

[118118]

i think hediieger says it?!

i could try and cobble one together, but i wouldn't like to put you through anything that dull and unconvincing

 

[118118]

frege think existence is a second level predicate: a properties of properties. this is why the ontological argument for god does not go through.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Cod

 

[118118]

i know i shoudn't eat thee.

mmm, scarilicious.

 

[max_freakout]

EDITED: Kameron got there first

 

[max_freakout]

if existence isn't a predicate, then what exactly does the statement "I exist" actually mean?

 

[max_freakout]

no such thing as nothing.

In that case, does nothing matter?

 

[118118]

yes, but existence is not a predicate

Kantian btw.

 

[118118]

if existence isn't a predicate, then what exactly does the statement "I exist" actually mean?

i can be consistently perceived?

 

[118118]

that was just a useless comment tho. i wouldn't say that i believe such ^^

 

[max_freakout]

i can be consistently perceived?

but this ^ is circular is it not? If i can be consistently perceived, then i am at least being something

 

[118118]

yes but so is that ^^


the point i was trying to make is that things to do have existence. the perceiver has it. unsure of 'predicate' tho.

 

[Flavour]

In that case, does nothing matter?

Technically speaking, no



i think...
nothing matters is a weird statement.

by matters, do you mean, is composed of matter?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Cod

You can eat his body and blood.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

i can be consistently perceived?

Does the farthest thing in the universe exist?

 

[118118]

i dunno, can it be perceived?

tho of course being very far away is not a sufficient condition for something not existing.

like i said, the previous post was not a view of mine.

 

[gorski]

Hegel is God! Anyone bothered to read his Logics or Phenomenology or...??? Maybe then this might be a bit clearer...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

i dunno, can it be perceived?

tho of course being very far away is not a sufficient condition for something not existing.

like i said, the previous post was not a view of mine.

We don't know, because it's never been perceived. But by defintion, it's there.

 

[Detroit City]

If God could be explained
It wouldn't be God
I know of many Gods
I do not believe
In belief

Jesus Allah Buddah

 

[gorski]

Jesus a la Buddah??!!?? Dunno, more of a revolutionary, if you ask me...

 

[max_freakout]

Technically speaking, no



i think...
nothing matters is a weird statement.

by matters, do you mean, is composed of matter?

I don't know what it means really, the mushroom (aka Jesus Christ) told it to me years ago i've been trying to decipher it ever since

 

[Flavour]

i mean on the face of it, nothing=0 and matter=1, so if nothing matters then 0=1, and only God can be simultaneously 0 and 1... so i dunno about this jesus dude - he was only and always 0.588

 

[max_freakout]

i mean on the face of it, nothing=0 and matter=1, so if nothing matters then 0=1, and only God can be simultaneously 0 and 1... so i dunno about this jesus dude - he was only and always 0.588

but 'matters' has a curious double meaning, 'consists of matter' and 'is important'


and then there's the question of 'is nothing a thing?', some might say yes, Sartre gave this example: you go to a crowded cafe looking for your friend Pierre, and Pierre isnt there, the nothingness of Pierre's abscenece is far more obvious and apparent to you than the concrete prescence of all the other people in the cafe, hence nothingness is concrete too

 

[Flavour]

nothing is important has another double meaning...

does that mean that no thing is important? i.e. the universe is pointless (kind of don't need a god then?) or that 'nothing' is important, like sartre was saying????

0 is blatantly important.