goal line technology?

[Build_A_Fire]

There's no need for Hawkeye or video replays. Use RFIDs, they use radio frequency to tell when something is in or our of a given area. they have them in shops to stop shoplifting, they even have them in Cardiff's fecking LIBRARIES in the books. If libraries can have them to stop people stealing books I'm damn sure they can be worked into a football.

 

[Ich bin ein Mod]

Do nothing, video replays would create artificial stoppages in the game, and there aren't foolproof methods. Plus not everywhere could have them.

People who want technology to assist in making decisions = people who think football started with the Premiership.

FACT

 

[Build_A_Fire]

People who want technology to assist in making decisions = people who think football started with the Premiership.

FACT

Bollocks

 

[Ich bin ein Mod]

FFS, you'd think the smiley gave it away

 

[Silva]

I'd rather have an inaccurate decision be absolved by a video replay than have to endure endless people bleeting on about how refs being biased and so obviously their losing side shudda won it.

Bollocks. They'll continue arguing that "the push was hard 'enuff to knock him down and then the ball hit him in the arm not the way around we was robbed" and so on. If people are led to believe they're being shafted by referees, they'll continue whining regardless of evidence.

Like I've said many times, video refereeing solves many issues in the NFL (who has a much clearer set of rules than football, particularly regarding contact), but what most people fail to understand is that there are SEVEN pairs of eyes on the field, all focused on the play, instead of two in football (since one of the assistants is always too far from penalty box plays to see anything), helping to filter down most dubious calls before the coaches even consider throwing the red flag. The NHL (who also uses video refereeing) has three on a much smaller area and less players (although much faster plays), as well as goal judges.

While I don't disagree that cameras or RFID chips will prove to be useful in the future, there are still easier to implement and cheaper alternatives to be tested, particularly goal-line judges.

 

[butchersapron]

It'll be chips in fans before long./loons

 

[christonabike]

Question for the yays:

do you want every decision looked at on video, (offside, handball, ball out of play, fouls on players, etc)

Every decision can change the game

 

[big eejit]

Question for the yays:

do you want every decision looked at on video, (offside, handball, ball out of play, fouls on players, etc)

Every decision can change the game

No, cos handball can be accidental and fouls can be impossible to detect. Ball out of play isn't usually so important, but if the technology was there for the goalline it could easily apply to all lines. The system just needs to alert people when a ball crosses the line. The ref decides if it got there legally if it's the goal line.

 

[Gmart]

Why stop the game with video tho? If the ball crosses the line it sets of an electronic thingy and horns go off and lights come on! It crossed the line so the ref jhust has to decide if it's a goal - no other infringements occcured. The decision stays with a human but informed by technology. Just do it.

If the ref got a beep sounding when the ball went out of play, or over the line - then that would help him in real time - so why not?

Question for the yays:

do you want every decision looked at on video, (offside, handball, ball out of play, fouls on players, etc)

Every decision can change the game

That would be up to the ref.

 

[aylee]

so would you support some form of technology to make decision-making better in football?

Put like that, there can really only be one answer. If the technology gives a reliable answer to whether or not the ball has crossed the line, it should be used. There is no place for farces like the one at Palace at the weekend in the modern game. It shouldn't prove that expensive if used only in the goals.

I would not support the use of technology to assist in other was-it-in-or-out decisions, since it would tend to slow the game down, but goal line decisions are notoriously hard for refs and assistants, particularly when there is a goalmouth scramble.

As for offsides, I think that a system of video review following disputed goals would not slow the game unduly. It might also encourage the refs and assistants to do what they're supposed to do anyway .... give the attacker the benefit of the doubt.

 

[discokermit]

how would video be used in non league games?

people banging on about goal line technology have been duped by sky sports, who have a vested interest in promoting it.

personally, i think all telly cameras should be banned from football matches.

 

[deadringer]

personally, i think all telly cameras should be banned from football matches.

a little extreme!


no to vid replays, but yes to did it cross the line technology, which should be fairly easy to impliment and relativly affordable way down the leagues

 

[steveo87]

Why not have a guy literally stand by the goal, rather than just have the assistants standing a few yards (its funny how I use imperial measurements in football) away?

 

[starfish]

There is far too much money to be made & lost in football these days for it not to embrace some form of technology.

 

[Termite Man]

Ball out of play isn't usually so important,

 

[stavros]

I've said it before in discussions about this, but one of the joys of football is that the game the pros play is identical or as near as to the game played by your Sunday-leaguer or Primary school team. If you start basing decisions on technological evidence which isn't practicable throughout all levels of the game, then for me it loses some allure.

 

[kained&able]

I've said it before in discussions about this, but one of the joys of football is that the game the pros play is identical or as near as to the game played by your Sunday-leaguer or Primary school team. If you start basing decisions on technological evidence which isn't practicable throughout all levels of the game, then for me it loses some allure.

but thats not really true. Playing on an amzingly well looked after pitch with brand new boots each time you play is a vastly different expereince to playing sunday league or whatever.


dave

 

[discokermit]

a little extreme!


no to vid replays, but yes to did it cross the line technology, which should be fairly easy to impliment and relativly affordable way down the leagues

if you don't go, you shouldn't be able to see it. that'd sort the wheat from the chaff. oh yes.

 

[deadringer]

if you don't go, you shouldn't be able to see it. that'd sort the wheat from the chaff. oh yes.

so only allow the super rich to watch top level sport? the poor could always listen on their wireless i guess

 

[Gmart]

Why hire yet another guy to watch each goal...? That just sounds like a waste of time and money. A chip in the ball which goes 'beep' in the ear of the ref 'real time' would be quite adequate. Stopping the game is another argument - but real time aids should and could be allowed quite easily.

 

[christonabike]

Originally Posted by christonabike
Question for the yays:

do you want every decision looked at on video, (offside, handball, ball out of play, fouls on players, etc)

Every decision can change the game



That would be up to the ref.

Whether the ball crosses the line, or a legitimate goal is scored but not allowed (an inaccurate offside decision) are both decisions that could be made after the event with camera technology



Do you want all decisions done like this?

I want all decisions to be taken by the ref and linos

Ta

 

[Gmart]

The key is to have it in real time - so if it beeps in the ref's ear when it goes out of the field of play no probs.

But furthermore you could have it beep in the ear of the linesman when there is an impact on the ball - so that he can keep his eye on the front line of the attack rather than trying to look at two things at the same time - not exactly perfect maybe, but better...

Both these would be in real time and would not cause any stoppage time.

 

[christonabike]

Reply to Gmarthews

But furthermore you could have it beep in the ear of the linesman when there is an impact on the ball

This is getting a bit uber tech, they have only just got the ref/lino earpiece thing working. Sensor in the ball, though, not really viable as two/ three players can impact the ball, and it may get confused by the pitch and beep if it rebounds off it as well

There is shirt and ad hoarding board technology, coupled with shirt colour technology, that could possibly tell if the attacking player is in front of or behind the defender - it works by constantly looking across the line of play

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

 

[Gmart]

This is getting a bit uber tech, they have only just got the ref/lino earpiece thing working. Sensor in the ball, though, not really viable as two/ three players can impact the ball, and it may get confused by the pitch and beep if it rebounds off it as well

There is shirt and ad hoarding board technology, coupled with shirt colour technology, that could possibly tell if the attacking player is in front of or behind the defender - it works by constantly looking across the line of play

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

That's a bit dogmatic, there is obviously an issue or else it wouldn't keep coming up as a topic. I feel for Neil Warnock and it is a lot of money sometimes - we can still improve it, and these ideas are all in real time. I appreciate that occasionally more than one player can impact, but 99% of the time it will be of use, and I am happy to trust the linesman himself to be able to deal with the rest.

 

[stavros]

but thats not really true. Playing on an amzingly well looked after pitch with brand new boots each time you play is a vastly different expereince to playing sunday league or whatever.


dave

True, but the rules and structure of the game remain the same. Introducing cameras, sensors, etc removes that semblance which I, for one, find so attractive.