Globalise Resistance: a new comedy act!
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Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
ooc, are you easily confused?Pilgrim said:
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
who?jimmer said:
me or pilgrim?
montevideo
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didn't someone once say the politics forum is like the letters page of the nme?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
jimmer said:
Piligrim, you posted too quickly!
rednblack said:
Don't disagree that the music is often shit on musician-run labels. But in an industry where there's no chance of strikes against the main labels or venues, co-ops or self-employment are about the option and they don't involve the massive set-up costs that . The last recording strike was in the '40s.
It'll be file-sharing that kills off the big labels (unless they manage to get by on ring-tones and itunes clones, but I don't think that'll last for long), the only thing that'll survive that will be people doing things themselves.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
catch said:
What do the Musician's Union think about greedy record companies?
Their website seems to be a bit thin on the ground:
http://www.musiciansunion.org.uk/html/about_today.html
Capdown have not been on Household Name for YEARS!
The Musicians' union is a pile of shit. The only thing they have any effectiveness on (and very little) is deals for the big orchestras, West End shows and session musicians working for the BBC. They offer legal help if people break contracts and there's a shitlist in the magazine - but that's only companies breaking the law, not ones ripping people off legally. They spend all their time running around after DJs to keep membership numbers up and sell them insurance and credit cards.sihhi said:
sihhi said:
I'm no longer a member after they failed to change my address for more than two years after about three e-mails and a couple of letters - cancelled the standing order and I'm not planning to restart it. I'd be very surprised if anyone's been expelled from the union for years, and they don't boycott the companies on the shit list, they just ask you to call up for advice (don't even put the reasons in the union mag) - more a warning list than a shit list.
Like I said, it's not up to much.
Yeah they're supposed to cover travelling music teachers etc.
They have 'recommended minimum rates' for gigs, recordings, weddings, teaching that are routinely ignored by membership, because unless every single person was to stick to them they're entirely ineffective - look at all the pay-to-play places in London and 'showcases', let alone low-paid gigs in pubs/clubs.
Fact is, it's one of many jobs where you can be entirely replaced by technology (DJ, (mp3) jukebox, CD player), and most bars or clubs can do just as well or better without live music. There's also an endless supply of scab labour were people to organise any kind of boycott because especially at the pop end of things there's always plenty scrabbling around for gigs. Only way I can see is self-organised stuff - setting up gigs and promoting concerts in hired venues, setting up small labels to release records - which means you're only dealing with venues/shops/CD pressers rather than promoters/agents/labels. It's not very much in itself, but it removes some of the dependency and in the case of stuff I'm involved in, vastly reduces specialisation, and often allows for people who'd otherwise be passive audience members to get involved as well. All for fuck-all money of course.
They have 'recommended minimum rates' for gigs, recordings, weddings, teaching that are routinely ignored by membership, because unless every single person was to stick to them they're entirely ineffective - look at all the pay-to-play places in London and 'showcases', let alone low-paid gigs in pubs/clubs.
Fact is, it's one of many jobs where you can be entirely replaced by technology (DJ, (mp3) jukebox, CD player), and most bars or clubs can do just as well or better without live music. There's also an endless supply of scab labour were people to organise any kind of boycott because especially at the pop end of things there's always plenty scrabbling around for gigs. Only way I can see is self-organised stuff - setting up gigs and promoting concerts in hired venues, setting up small labels to release records - which means you're only dealing with venues/shops/CD pressers rather than promoters/agents/labels. It's not very much in itself, but it removes some of the dependency and in the case of stuff I'm involved in, vastly reduces specialisation, and often allows for people who'd otherwise be passive audience members to get involved as well. All for fuck-all money of course.
cats hammers
Libcomist
revol68 said:or stop being declasse petite bourgeois scum and get a proper job.
I hope you see the irony of you calling teachers petit-bourgeois the same day as you berate Class War for having a poor class analysis.
revol68
what, fucking what?
jackwupton said:I hope you see the irony of you calling teachers petit-bourgeois the same day as you berate Class War for having a poor class analysis.
i'm talkng about the lumpen scum who do this shit for a living.
and teachers have their own organs which musicians by the very nature of their ahem "labour" will never get.
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