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I guess it must be because the facts don't fit the lie they are peddaling.Crispy said:Why does the Bush administration feel the need to alter the words of scientists?
I guess it must be because the facts don't fit the lie they are peddaling.Crispy said:Why does the Bush administration feel the need to alter the words of scientists?
The climate change debate is a political debate. The President has a position and he expects those who work for him not to pusue some other political agenda. There are plenty of leftists in America and elsewhere promoting socialism via "global warming" hysteria. It is reasonable, and in keeping with the Constitution, that the President holds and seeks to advance a different viewpoint. If the socialists want the executive branch of the United States government to promote socialism, then they need to elect a socialist President. Until then, they will have to be satisfied with the universities, the MSM, the enviro groups, the UN, the...Crispy said:Anyway, back on topic. Why does the Bush administration feel the need to alter the words of scientists? Can it not argue the case itself, or does it have to resort to muffling voices it doesn't like?
rogue yam said:The climate change debate is a political debate. The President has a position and he expects those who work for him not to pusue some other political agenda. There are plenty of leftists in America and elsewhere promoting socialism via "global warming" hysteria. It is reasonable, and in keeping with the Constitution, that the President holds and seeks to advance a different viewpoint. If the socialists want the executive branch of the United States government to promote socialism, then they need to elect a socialist President. Until then, they will have to be satisfied with the universities, the MSM, the enviro groups, the UN, the...
Have you been to China? I have. They are not kicking our ass in any way. China sucks. If you want freedom and prosperity, stay here. We have high productivity, high growth (compared to all other advanced industrial countries), low unemployment, low interest rates, low prices (again, compared to other advanced industrial countries), low taxes, strong equities markets, and lying, whining hippies. Seven out of eight isn't bad.Yuwipi Woman said:That is what the Chinese are pursuing--who btw, are kicking our ass economically. Bush and company are doing everything they can to doom the average american to poverty.
So where is a listing of these changes you propose, with an analysis of the costs and benefits of each one? I have seen a lot of hippie/commie hand-waving on this subject, but when it comes to actual solutions there is deafening silence. Those technologies that pay for themselves (such as energy-efficient lightbulbs, etc.) sell themselves. The rest is just a stalking horse for collectivism.Yuwipi Woman said:We can make changes that preserve the environment now that will be relatively easy. Or, we can do it later when it will be much more detrimental to living standards. All of this can be done using market solutions.
Amory Levins, Soft Energy Paths.rogue yam said:So where is a listing of these changes you propose, with an analysis of the costs and benefits of each one? I have seen a lot of hippie/commie hand-waving on this subject, but when it comes to actual solutions there is deafening silence. Those technologies that pay for themselves (such as energy-efficient lightbulbs, etc.) sell themselves. The rest is just a stalking horse for collectivism.
It's all about socialism, toots. That's why we call y'all "watermelons"; green on the outside, red on the inside.Yuwipi Woman said:Socialists have nothing to do with this.
rogue yam said:So where is a listing of these changes you propose, with an analysis of the costs and benefits of each one? I have seen a lot of hippie/commie hand-waving on this subject, but when it comes to actual solutions there is deafening silence. Those technologies that pay for themselves (such as energy-efficient lightbulbs, etc.) sell themselves. The rest is just a stalking horse for collectivism.
I have read that article, and much else by Mr. Lovins (note correct spelling of his name), as well as met the man. He has done some good work. So what is your point?rich! said:Amory Levins, Soft Energy Paths.
Been available for about 30 years.
rogue yam said:It's all about socialism, toots. That's why we call y'all "watermelons"; green on the outside, red on the inside.

Hey moron! How exactly do you propose to determine how many carbon credits there should be and how they will be initially allocated? "Sigh", indeed!laptop said:Sigh.
A market (<- word Freepers like in theory) in carbon credits works with enforceable limits.
rogue yam said:Have you been to China? I have. They are not kicking our ass in any way. China sucks. If you want freedom and prosperity, stay here. We have high productivity, high growth (compared to all other advanced industrial countries), low unemployment, low interest rates, low prices (again, compared to other advanced industrial countries), low taxes, strong equities markets, and lying, whining hippies. Seven out of eight isn't bad.
Lock&Light said:If someone was to suggest that rogue yam should be reprimanded, would there be any objections?
Again, what's your point?spring-peeper said:
Only that chronic stupidity isn't in the FAQs, nor is delusion and/or fanaticisim.Lock&Light said:If someone was to suggest that rogue yam should be reprimanded, would there be any objections?
rogue yam said:Again, what's your point?
Ooooh! "Reprimanded" on u75! Oh, the horror! Oh, the shame!Lock&Light said:If someone was to suggest that rogue yam should be reprimanded, would there be any objections?
rogue yam said:So where is a listing of these changes you propose, with an analysis of the costs and benefits of each one? I have seen a lot of hippie/commie hand-waving on this subject, but when it comes to actual solutions there is deafening silence. Those technologies that pay for themselves (such as energy-efficient lightbulbs, etc.) sell themselves. The rest is just a stalking horse for collectivism.
So what? I get to enjoy cheap goods and live in freedom. Sounds like win-win to me!Yuwipi Woman said:Turn over any random product in the store. It will say "Made in China" on the bottom. Our manufacturing base continues to decline.
DarthSydodyas said:Could be worse. pbmen could return.......
rich! said:Amory Levins, Soft Energy Paths.
Been available for about 30 years.
Yuwipi Woman said:Do your own homework, freepboy.

frogwoman said:In all honesty, I actually think PBman is a decent guy (albeit with some really weird ideas about his government), unlike this character.
spring-peeper said:I gave him a list of sites - some even from the US government. He didn't know what to do with them![]()
frogwoman said:In all honesty, I actually think PBman is a decent guy (albeit with some really weird ideas about his government), unlike this character.