Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by Falcon, Mar 26, 2008.
dow 547 off at opening
now 191.63 ahead
700 points in 25 mins???
This page should prove interesting over the next couple of hours
Dow +22.67% over the last year
10 am NY time
Please stop drooling. My computer is getting soggy. This is not the end of Capitalism.
Dead cat bounce.
This narrative is about as gripping as the next hurricane to hit Florida / people fleeing / local news reporter standing outside. Story.
Market correct is a market correction. Automated bots: OMG.
I do not expect a change in the economic system
I am merely luxuriating in the thought of weeping brokers.....
Never bet against the house.
Dow will be under 23k by the end of Feb.
Dow futures March delivery showing 24,215 currently
How about now?
Dow, March delivery, at close last night
DM1 Quote - Dow Jones mini Futures Index
Both Reuters and Bloomberg have removed the Russell 2000 quote from their data - well their "free" data - should anyone have a spare $2k a month you'll get it
The Russell is interesting as it measures mainly small cap biz price - get a better idea of the overall economic picture - few of the Russell firms make most of their money outside the USA - FTSE here is dominated (cap size) by international firms who have chosen to list on the LSE - the FTSE 250 being a better measure of UK co's health for example
This correction will continue until such time as the Fed makes concrete its rate hike strategy - anticipating markets are nervous markets - T-Bill yields have risen in expectation orate rises, which in turn have spooked EQ Mkts - trade volume levels in real time, even with proper paid up info provide is difficult -
This place gives mass of data from most of the world EX USA (NASDAQ only) and UK
Good for base data to calc long term trends
You need to create an acct, it will then give you access to their databases and monthly reports.....BUT, cos they are compiled from data provided by members, it usually runs about 1 month behind, which means its useless for what is happening now but will give detailed breakdown in around 6 weeks.....oh handy....
And now ?
I'm staying out of equities for a while still.
Noble group - FE based commodity trading behemoth- possibly on the verge of collapse. Running losses of 5bn in 2017. Lots of banks and FE wealth involved in the debt. Systemically important but conversely not to big to fail . Lots of talking up the future prospects and reiteration of creditors full confidence in the management etc.
manufacturing cant be that far behind
Dude, wheres my hydrocarbon revenue ?
World's Biggest Sovereign Wealth Fund Delivers Record Return
the Norwegian SWF returned $131 bn last year. Its now worth $200K per citizen.
Where did our oil and gas revenue go ? ( rhetorical/)
This is not currently looking like a great bet. It will have to lose >10% of its value in the next two days (sitting at 25,708 as at the end of 26/2).
Yeah, it's still in melt up. Double top, you'll see
Yep. Still a good time to be out of equities.
Not particularly, to be honest. It really depends on the fund. It's all still pretty flat over the last 3 months, which is an eyeblink in equity investment terms.
In terms of the whole of 2018, the question I ask myself is whether I'm more likely to gain 10% or lose 10% of my pension on any given investment. Right now I'm seeing plenty of downside room, and an upside that's shot it's bolt.
I dunno. The value stocks will give you a 4% dividend yield, remember, which softens the blow of any downward movement. And where else are you putting your money right now? Bonds are highly vulnerable to the yield curve shifting upwards. Commodities are collapsing. I think one reason for the sustained high in blue chip companies is the lack of decent alternatives right now.
This doesn’t really show much of a collapse, frankly:
And this has bumbled around a lot in two years, giving it plenty of scope for value still:
I agree entirely with the "where else would you put your money" sentiment. There's the problem. The massive growth of investment money globally in the new Chinese, Indian, etc middle classes, plus the open money fawcets of QE - all chasing gains... While at the same time the only game in town - equities - are both over valued and jittering... And interest rates are about to rise.
We're 10 months pregnant for a nasty shock. Who knows what's going to give? You show 2 year charts. How about a 30 year chart?
they would be boring, though, since prices before 2 years ago are all just lower
So we are just racing against inflation?
A metaphor for life
In truth, you can take just about any 10 year rolling period and find that equities outperform every other class.
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