Glastonbury 2017

Discussion in 'festivals' started by Riff, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. JTG

    JTG Angry about not being able to be an astronaut.

    Yep. There are people who do effectively perform for free (I know someone who almost did this in T&C last year) and the bar staff... I know of someone who ran away this year cos they were being underfed and under rested. I've not heard much good regarding WBC tbh
  2. JTG

    JTG Angry about not being able to be an astronaut.

    I don't mind doing what is effectively a voluntary role with expenses attached. That kind of thing, plus the stewards who raise money for charities large and small are all OK afaic. Other stuff definitely not. I know of crews where management practices are questionable and I'm of the opinion that they hide weaker aspects of their operation in order to make the more crucial bits look better. But I can't question their payment of staff etc etc.

    Others appear to be more shambolic/exploitative than that

    Has there been any follow up, discussion or statement around this report? Anyone know?
  3. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    I was camped next to a group of bar workers a couple of years ago. They had all arrived expecting wristbands, but none were supplied. I advised them they would be within their rights to bugger off and enjoy the festival. Sure enough a bunch of them snuck off in the middle of the night and were not seen again. Good for them. They must have been *very* quiet while packing down their tents :D.
  4. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    William of Walworth I think you may have my old job. Info crew. Used to do it with my gf 20+ years ago. Is it still CND? Do they still take a cheque off you beforehand and rip it up in front of you when you've done your (4x4hr) shifts? Happy days, if long gone.
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  5. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

  6. Looby

    Looby Well-Known Member

    In my brief experience of WBC, we were treated really well. Friends of mine go back year after year and have had no problems at all. I have heard stories about people being escorted off site and dumped in Shepton Mallet for giving pints away etc but it's always been rumours and nothing concrete.
  7. fractionMan

    fractionMan Custom Title

    I did in festival litter picking back in the 90s and I'm fairly certain it was oxfam. Might have been greenpeace. Anyway, I'm also pretty sure there was the option to do after festival cleanup instead.
  8. JTG

    JTG Angry about not being able to be an astronaut.

    Greenpeace rings a bell actually.
  9. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    I used to do workers beer company - not done it for years though. Used to be ok - meals provided, secure camping with clean toilets and showers, beer tokens, transport, and its hard work but not too many shifts (though they were fairly long) and was a good way of raising money for small projects/groups/causes. The problems I was aware of were where team organisers (ie the person representing a campaign, union or project who gets a team together) tried to blag in extra people in their team and stuff like that. Things might well have changed, but I've worked a number much more exploitative jobs at festivals - as a charity volunteer, and as a paid worker - WBC always seemed quite sound in comparison.
  10. Looby

    Looby Well-Known Member

    Yeah it was quite a good deal. The shifts were weird, some were 3-4 hours and others 8 or 9. It was a good laugh and we had a good team.
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    keybored #NeverUseTheInternetAgain

  12. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    I have to question how widespread this crew going without wristbands thing is though.

    Not really the same, but on the Saturday, at our stall, we interacted at great length with two security stewards, very nice ones as it goes, who had 'caught' three locals from very near Pilton, who did not have wristbands. They had all their local tickets/documentation, but the senior steward was adamant that all security were under standing instructions to look out for and eject ANYONE seen without a wristband.

    Why these locals had not been issued wristbands is a mystery to me, and what happened in the end is that one of my Info bosses, after various phonecalls, had to write by hand a signed message, with a relevant phone number, for each of these three locals to take about with them, in order to show to any other steward who might challenge them, along with their tickets and documentation. That wasn't a proper solution, and Info have flagged it as a problematic issue to be sorted properly for 2019.

    Everyone on site should surely have a wristband of some kind IMO, all crews definitely included (during the festival at least). Were there any crew members being issued green paying-customer wristbands? I think I saw some, but I don't know how that worked or which crews it applied to.

    But if there any crew bosses denying their staff any wristband, that's surely contrary to established security rules, and taking the piss to boot :hmm:
    Did anyone notice any barstaff on duty in the public bars who lacked wristbands? :confused:
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2017
  13. Looby

    Looby Well-Known Member

    At IOW I spoke to a couple of people working for Peppermint bars who had wristbands but were told they shouldn't be on site except for shifts and were worried about getting caught.
  14. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    They used to do the cheque tearing ceremony when we first joined, but we don't write cheques for our volunteer tickets any more, and we haven't done since about 2013 (?). As far as I know that's now the case for all Info Crew, the majority of whom are regulars who've being doing the job for a while, and are thus trusted. I think the thinking also is that anyone taking the piss, missing shifts, being unreliable, drunk, etc., will not be allowed to do the job again (and very probably blacklisted?). New members of our lot are rare nowadays, it's a very hard team to join. So we value hanging on in there! :D

    But yes, out bosses are CND, same as they always have been, and several have been around for 20 years at least, in some cases 30 or more :cool:
    5 x 4 hr shifts nowadays btw, ever since we started working (in 2008).
  15. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    That's disgusting! :mad:
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  16. JTG

    JTG Angry about not being able to be an astronaut.

    I know that the festival are super-strict on numbers of wristbands issued per crew. You get what you're allocated and it's very rare that there'll be any flexibility on additional bands (I do know of a circumstance in which a very small number of extras were issued last minute to one very large crew and we were all amazed that they'd managed to secure them).

    My assumption - and I have a hazy memory that this has certainly been the case in previous years - is that certain crews have habitually got round this by not issuing bands to some staff members and getting people to swap bands (after putting them on loosely) whenever required. Obviously this is completely abusing the restrictions on numbers of people on site and wide open to (even more) abuse. I rather suspect there was something of a clampdown on that this year given all the other security stuff going on.

    I know that Oxfam have been more stringent on checking wristbands, especially EPOs, the last two years in particular. One thing they're instructed to do is to tug the wristbands and tighten them if necessary.

    Most of the above based on hazy memory, filling in gaps and making assumptions.
  17. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    I don't think it's very widespread, but I do know that it goes on.
  18. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

  19. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    Info was originally mid-Somerset CND, I don't know if that group still exists in its own right.

    FWIW the first litter crews were organised by local Green (or Ecology) Party members from 1982 on iirc.
  20. paolo

    paolo Well-Known Member

    Seems like the after-pick, at least, is subbed to Critical Waste. My guess is it was them making the promise of a certain amount of work.

    Whoever made the promise was on dodgy ground. Anyone who knows the festival knows that the amount of work needed for the after pick is massively variable due to weather. Also, because the jobs aren't preallocated, there's no way of knowing if they'll end up with more hands than normal - reducing any one individual's hours.

    I feel sorry for the people who travelled and were sold a dud. And I expect, in future, GFL will take a bigger interest in the way the sub contractor deals with workers.
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  21. wiskey

    wiskey Albatross Admirer

    What I find weird is that they allowed all these people to come to the UK for the job and let them work for two days before then realising they didn't have the work for them... Surely it would have been obvious by about Sunday that there was less to do?
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  22. wiskey

    wiskey Albatross Admirer

    I volunteer, I work 19 hours from weds - mon morning. I get secure camping in the middle of site, a lush meal every night, free access to bread, eggs, cereal, T&C and squash etc, loos and a shower a day. The work can be mentally exhausting but is not arduous.

    Compared to working 24hrs looking after over 2k stewards with one meal ticket a shift and a camp outside the fence (which is what oxfam shift leaders do (which I have done at many other festivals)) I think I do ok.

    The work you have to do to get a ticket varies massively!
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  23. Ted Striker

    Ted Striker Foot's on the other hand

    The whole piece has an air of :hmm: about it. Bussed in, internationally, just to pick litter at G?

    As if that's cost effective (there must be some local (dare I say, immigrant) workers that would do it for minimum wage (as unpalatable as it is to say these things out loud))

    Plus/Otherwise they must of had other jobs to rock up to whilst in the UK (not that it makes Glasto fucking them off on day 3 after 2 weeks of promised work, ok)
  24. JTG

    JTG Angry about not being able to be an astronaut.

    I guess it depends on how this stuff was presented at point of sign up - a cheap flight to the UK for a month or so's work with accommodation (ie camping) etc thrown in isn't that hard a thing to believe people would do. I know that CW have used eastern European workers plenty of times before.

    I've picked with another company before at other events and it attracts a fairly motley crew of van dwellers, overseas workers, freelancers looking for something to fill gaps in their schedule and people who may otherwise be signing on. The supply of food, booze and assorted miscellaneous tat helps too. Minimum wage isn't so bad when you're not paying rent and being fed. I found it easy to scarper a day or so earlier when I needed to and others were brought in at short notice when the job took longer.

    I suspect somebody ballsed up with massive over recruitment. Also suspect sign ups were on the basis that it was going to be a lot more work - as I say, depends on what people were told when they signed up.
  25. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    It does! :) :cool:

    Is, or at least was, the largest CND branch in the country, membership-wise ;)
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2017
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  26. wiskey

    wiskey Albatross Admirer

  27. JTG

    JTG Angry about not being able to be an astronaut.

    Glastonbury responds after Corbyn comments on zero hour contracts

  28. Hollis

    Hollis Bloody furious

    That's basically the classic rationale for zero-hours working though. Glastonbury Festival reduces its costs by transferring the cost of a variable 'need' back onto the workers or summat like that.

    Maybe Eavis could've got them milking the cows for two weeks? :confused: :)
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2017
  29. wiskey

    wiskey Albatross Admirer

    A 'minimum of 8 hours work' doesn't seem worth flying from Eastern Europe for really.
  30. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    To be honest it's made me feel guilty about leaving no trace.

    Next time I'm going to leave an almighty mess to help ensure workers get some hours.
    Only if it's a dry one again of course. If it's wet then there'll be no need.

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