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Glasgow schools occupied against closure

Garcia Lorca

Anger can be power
Wynford primary and st gregorys schools have been occupied in glasgow against the threatened closure.. (not just of these but of MANY MANY more).
Police threatening to remove parents from schools.. as from 6pm tonight they were still inside.

any scots reading that can show support.. you can call 07804257022 for directions or to ensure that the pigs aint got them out yet.
messages of support are appreciated.
 
UPDATE!!!!!

The occupation of Wyndford Primary, 116 Glenfinnan Drive, Glasgow G20 8HL. is strong and well. I have spoken to Nicola at 21:51, a parent inside the school. They have no intention of leaving and have barricaded themselves inside. The police are away at the moment and all that is left are security guards, but we do not know for how long.

Spirits are high with a karaoke and [izza the theme of tonight. There is a demo called for 12pm outside the school tommorow to show support against the closures and to give much needed moral boosts for the parents and occupiers.

There are currently 13 people inside, many parents with children and one of the parents has their childs birthday tommorow. They are asking if anyone can help in anyway, either to take turns in shifts to let one or two get to see their children or if you could bring some desperately needed supplies.

They have asked for....

Sleeping Materials - airbeds, covers, pillows etc as they currently have only a couple of airbeds.

Camping Stoves - the gas has been turned off, although currently they still have heating in the school.

Pots, Pans and cutlery or anything else you think they would need for the occupation.

MOST OF ALL THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT.

Please show solidarity with the occupation, messages of support have came in from all across the world to their mobiles, its helping with moral.

SAVE OUR SCHOOLS, PLEASE HELP SUPPORT THE OCCUPATION IF YOU CAN.

The parents send their thanks to those who have shown support already.

You can check the situation before going up by texting 07894123721.

Many thanks for your time.
 
Don't be silly. You haven't even read the three pages I suggested.

You probably mean this, which you won't read either.

Do you disagree that besides the savings that will be made on accommodation/teaching (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7839664.stm), another primary aim here is to merge the schools in order to make it easier to provide 8am-6pm childcare so that all lone-parents and non-working parents whose youngest child is 7 or over can be placed onto the pilot workfare programme?
 
Do you disagree that besides the savings that will be made on accommodation/teaching (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7839664.stm), another primary aim here is to merge the schools in order to make it easier to provide 8am-6pm childcare so that all lone-parents and non-working parents whose youngest child is 7 or over can be placed onto the pilot workfare programme?

Sorry, you have read the papers. Well done you. I thnought you were just trolling which is why I was a bit rude.

Anything that expands the availability of childcare to enable people to access jobs in the City of Glasgow is a good thing.
 
Is that a vote for or against this occupation?

I think we just got to the part where Fullyplumped denied that the massive number of school mergers in Glasgow were the first step in rolling out the wisconsin-workfare pilot, before realising I'd read all the papers and more besides (search my posts for 'workfare'), and then came out clearly against the parents' occupation of Glasgow schools threatened with closures.
 
I think we just got to the part where Fullyplumped denied that the massive number of school mergers in Glasgow were the first step in rolling out the wisconsin-workfare pilot, before realising I'd read all the papers and more besides (search my posts for 'workfare'), and then came out clearly against the parents' occupation of Glasgow schools threatened with closures.

I haven't "come out against" the parents' occupation of anything or denied anything - I haven't actually expressed an opinion on the occupation by the parents yet. What I have done is pointed out some resources that might be of interest to people reading this thread.

You really ought to read the words on your screen, not the words floating inside your head.

I think that the City Council is correct to maximise occupancy of its schools and to make more use of the primary schools that are in better condition. The average occupancy of Glasgow primary schools is 65 per cent and these schools have significantly lower occupancy than that. 100 per cent of Glasgow's secondary schools are now categorised as being in A grade condition and they've set a target of achieving this for primaries, but not until 2019. The envisaged savings will be necessary - be aware that the Scottish Government has mandated a one per cent efficiency saving in all spending by local government and management of the school estate is a public performance indicator. They're running a real council, not Sim City. Some schools will need to be closed.

The case of Wyndford PS and St Gregory's PS is particularly interesting, not because of the schools themselves but because of the idea coming from the campaigners of merging them into a common campus uniting a non denominational school with a RC school. I hope that councillors would see the value of this, and face down the RC Church who are the only ones in opposition to the idea. The school is closed for the Easter holiday and campaigners are drawing attention to the case they want to make before the Council makes its final decision on 23rd April.

They have a good case to make, because the fabric of the buildings their children would be expected to use in the future isn't that much better than the exisiting school. Also, Wyndford PS in particular has had quite good HMIE reports recently. I hope the project team have a back up plan to support the retention of the two schools as a shared campus, but this will inevitably mean that one or two other schools not on the consultation list might need to close.

I'm glad I'm not a councillor!
 
Could we maybe get a thread going for people who've stuff to donate to help this and other occupations? I've a small stove and gas but no transport for example.
 
In the face of shrinking childbirth rates across Scotland and therefore the need to adjust the number of schools, have the occupiers stated which council services they're prepared to see pared back to keep "their" school open or how much extra they're prepared to pay on their Council Tax (an increase that should only be applied to the parents of kids at the schools that are maintained in excess of requirements)?
 
Apparently, the parents were inteviewed for GMTV this morning, I missed it (caught Whoopi Goldberg talking some bollocks or other though, unfortunately), did anybody happen to catch it?
 
Could we maybe get a thread going for people who've stuff to donate to help this and other occupations? I've a small stove and gas but no transport for example.

I've got a couple of coleman gas cannisters in my storecupboard which should last for about 1 week if only used to cook one evening meal per day for 10 people. Where do I send them?
 
Workfare has been a disaster in Israel and USA.

In the USA, there is unequivocal, irrefutable evidence that single-parent families forced into work has contributed to increase in dysfunctional families.

From The Israeli Plan to Reduce Income-Support Payments
Barbara Swirski, October 2000
Governments tend to present workfare programs as a success story, primarily because they achieved their immediate goal -- reducing the budget for welfare payments. In the United States, for example, the number of recipients was cut in half within a few years (Besharov and Germanis, 2000).

On the other hand, the ability of workfare programs to put individuals (back) into the labor force is much less impressive: According to estimates by the OECD, only 5-10% of the participants in various welfare programs are employed as a direct result of those programs; the others, it is estimated, would have found jobs even without the programs (OECD, OECD Employment Outlook 2000: 8). In the United States, where the welfare rolls were halved within four years, no one can state definitively how much of this decline was due to workfare programs and how much to the booming economy.

Critics of workfare note that a significant portion of the success of the programs can be attributed to the economic growth in countries where they were implemented. Where growth was low and unemployment high, on the other hand, workfare participants have had a hard time finding stable employment.

But even in countries enjoying significant economic growth, most jobs open to welfare recipients do not allow them to "break out of the cycle of poverty." In the United States, where there is full employment, the jobs found by most former welfare recipients were for unskilled labor -- positions with no job security and paying only a minimum wage. This is primarily because most welfare recipients have little education and lack the skills needed for finding a better job.

Thus, despite the promise, workfare programs are not taking their participants out of poverty. A survey of programs carried out in Wisconsin between 1989 and 1997 reveals that while the number of welfare recipients decreased by two-thirds, the number of poor dropped by no more than about 12%.

What's more, the survey showed a rise in the number of persons mired in deep poverty (having incomes totaling less than 50% of the poverty line): the proportion of food stamp recipients rose from 10% in 1989 to 32% in 1997 (Moore and Selkowe, 1999).

Another shortcoming of the workfare program is that welfare recipients absorbed into the job market often take jobs away from unskilled workers who are already there. The entry of new workers into low skilled jobs pushes out those who previously held these jobs, or lowers the wage and worsens the job conditions for all (Solow, 1998).

More specific criticism relates to women heading single-parent families. The need to work outside the home can detrimentally affect children who remain behind without proper supervision or child care. At least one study found that single mothers who participated in workfare suffered from both severe economic distress and a high incidence of depression (Selkowe and Neale, 1999).
Read Barbara Swirski's whole report: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cach...Israeli%20Plan.pdf+workfare+israel+criticisms

It costs more to force single mums into work and pay for their childcare than it does to pay them their paltry benefits. No savings are made, but the figures are massaged and people are forced into low-paid work.

The resulting increase in dysfunctional children of single-parents forced into workfare is also another worrying factor, both socially and personally in the form of later depression, etc. It really does look awful no matter which way you look at it.

Add the governments failure upon failure to implement working maintenance payment scheme and you have a dysfunctional government actively working to increase dysfunctional citizens.
 
brilliant stuff people,

ill try and get a wee update tommorow when my brains not as fuzzy.

The support is superb, appreciated by many and definately a way of bringing people together.

:)
 
Little bump - think fed's going down there later:

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I haven't "come out against" the parents' occupation of anything or denied anything - I haven't actually expressed an opinion on the occupation by the parents yet. What I have done is pointed out some resources that might be of interest to people reading this thread.
You've also declared that "Anything that expands the availability of childcare to enable people to access jobs in the City of Glasgow is a good thing" (my emphasis).
So you have, tangentially, expressed an opinion that reflects on the validity of the occupations. You just haven't had the guts to do it openly.
You really ought to read the words on your screen, not the words floating inside your head.
The words on the screen say "Anything that expands the availability of childcare to enable people to access jobs in the City of Glasgow is a good thing".
I think that the City Council is correct to maximise occupancy of its schools and to make more use of the primary schools that are in better condition. The average occupancy of Glasgow primary schools is 65 per cent and these schools have significantly lower occupancy than that. 100 per cent of Glasgow's secondary schools are now categorised as being in A grade condition and they've set a target of achieving this for primaries, but not until 2019. The envisaged savings will be necessary - be aware that the Scottish Government has mandated a one per cent efficiency saving in all spending by local government and management of the school estate is a public performance indicator. They're running a real council, not Sim City. Some schools will need to be closed.
Thing is, down here in Lambeth we already know how such closures play out because we went through this in the 1990s. Schools close, teachers leave the area, school sites get sold to developers and BINGO!!! ten years down the line any "savings" made are rendered meaningless by the fact that new schools have to be built because of increased need (often caused by the "gentrification" concomitant to selling off those school sites, ironically).
 
Little bump - think fed's going down there later:

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Yup, was a great wee visit. Got met off teh bus and shown round both schools. The parents and supporters in good spirits. Handed over the cash to some stunned faces.... It was split between the two schools. Parents of both schools said many, many thanks.
 
Yup, was a great wee visit. Got met off teh bus and shown round both schools. The parents and supporters in good spirits. Handed over the cash to some stunned faces.... It was split between the two schools. Parents of both schools said many, many thanks.
Great stuff. :)
 
Yup, was a great wee visit. Got met off teh bus and shown round both schools. The parents and supporters in good spirits. Handed over the cash to some stunned faces.... It was split between the two schools. Parents of both schools said many, many thanks.

:cool:
 
You've also declared that "Anything that expands the availability of childcare to enable people to access jobs in the City of Glasgow is a good thing" (my emphasis).
So you have, tangentially, expressed an opinion that reflects on the validity of the occupations. You just haven't had the guts to do it openly.

The words on the screen say "Anything that expands the availability of childcare to enable people to access jobs in the City of Glasgow is a good thing".

Thing is, down here in Lambeth we already know how such closures play out because we went through this in the 1990s. Schools close, teachers leave the area, school sites get sold to developers and BINGO!!! ten years down the line any "savings" made are rendered meaningless by the fact that new schools have to be built because of increased need (often caused by the "gentrification" concomitant to selling off those school sites, ironically).

OK, almost anything. so long as there's more childcare. Glasgow has the lowest participation on the labour market of any part of Scotland and we need more. It is a big concentrated city with declining school rolls. No child is going have that much further to travel. The city is blessed with many, many empty classrooms. That doesn't mean I wish anything but well on the people making their demonstration, especially if we get what I think would be Glasgow's first shared RC/non-denominational campus.

As for your comments about "gentrification". If only. Take that area. Wyndford estate (the Maryhill Barracks of old), and Maryhill, are unlikely to experience gentrification. Check the postcode G20 8HL on Google Maps and have a look round you'll see that the only thing that will gentrify the scheme is to knock it down as some kind of extension of slightly smarter Kelvindale. But it's not such a bad place and that's not going to happen.
 
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