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Glasgow disaster for left

Many people are claiming the rout of the small parties is to do with the over 100,000 discounted votes.

Apparently with three different election papers, huge numbers of voters filled in their papers wrongly and hence votes were discounted.

It looks likely their may be legal appeals
 
Udo Erasmus said:
Apparently with three different election papers, huge numbers of voters filled in their papers wrongly and hence votes were discounted.

Well, if they weren't capable of following the perfectly simple instructions.......

Does that mean that those who wished to vote for minority Socialist parties have the cognitive ability of a bucket of lard?

Ah, that explains where their support comes from.
 
Alex Salmond was expressing concern about the unprecedented number of votes discounted. So not just the small parties kicking up a fuss
 
So far the sum total of far left representation in Scotland is one council seat each for Solidarity and SSP. Still, looks like the tartan tories are doing rather well :(
 
Nigel Irritable said:
The Glasgow regional list results have just been declared. And frankly they are a disaster for the left.

Solidarity came 6th with 4.1% of the vote, and seem to have missed out on a seat by half a percent. The SSP came 12th with 1.2%. Yes, 12th. That's behind the BNP, the Socialist Labour Party and multiple Christian outfits. Full results below:


SNP 55,832 27.0%
LD 14,767 7.2%
CON 13,751 6.7%
GRN 10,759 5.2%
LAB 0 78,838 38.2%
SOL 0 8,544 4.1%
BNP 0 3,865 1.9%
SSCU 0 3,703 1.8%
SCHP 0 2,991 1.4%
CPA 0 2,626 1.3%
SLP 0 2,680 1.3%
SSP 0 2,579 1.2%
SUP 0 1,612 0.8
PUB 0 952 0.5
IND 0 582 0.3
IGV 0 496 0.2
IND 0 317 0.2
SV 0 389 0.2
UKIP 0 405 0.2
CPB 0 260 0.1
IND 0 286 0.1
SACL 0 293 0.1
NPG 0 80 0.0


Well if the SSP hadn't split they'd have won a seat there. One long slow car crash the far left is, they just can't seem to do anything without fighting amongst themselves, they're like children. Is it really any surprise that people just don't wanna vote for that? Really, is it?
 
Fisher_Gate said:
So you reckon the collapse in the SSP vote (list head 2003: T Sheridan) had nothing whatsoever to do with one T. Sheridan's antics in lying in court and splitting the SSP? It was all the fault of the SSP itself? When questioned in a poll over 50% of scots said the politician they had most distrust for was T. Sheridan, not one of the other shits.


Perfect example of why people didn't wanna re-elect any of that lot...

One the one side untrustworthy Sheridan and his antics, and on the other side we have a bunch of people who stabbed their comrade in the back by giving a newspaper minutes of a meeting complete with a sworn aviddavit.

It's a joke.
 
Central Scotland (this was Carolyn Leckie's seat):
Solidarity 5,012 (1.8%)
SSP 2,188 (0.8%)

Highlands and Islands:
Solidarity 1,833 (1.0%)
SSP 973 (0.5%)

Mid Scotland and Fife:
Solidarity 2,468 (0.9%)
SSP 1,116 (0.4%)

South of Scotland (this was Rosemary Byrne's seat):
Solidarity 3,433 (1.2%)
SSP 1,114 (0.4%)

Glasgow (this was Sheridan and Kane's seat):
Solidarity 8,544 (4.1%)
SSP 2,579 (1.2%)

Lothians (this was Colin Fox's seat):
Solidarity 2,998 (1.0%)
SSP 1,994 (0.7)

North East Scotland:
Solidarity 2,004 (0.8%)
SSP 1,051 (0.4%)

West of Scotland (this was Frances Curran's seat):
Solidarity 4,774 (1.8%)
SSP 1,716 (0.6%)

Totals:
Solidarity 31,066
SSP 12,831

Solidarity finished between 6th and 9th places on the various lists and averaged about 1.7% of the vote. The SSP finished between 11th and 13th on the lists and averaged about 0.6% of the vote. One of the strangest things about the regional lists is that having sitting MSP's seems to have had little or no added value for the SSP or for Solidarity, leaving Sheridan aside.

A case could be made that there was a small benefit for the SSP in having Fox in Lothians, where they got closer to Solidarity. Also I suppose a case could be made that Byrne had some useful name recognition in the South of Scotland where I gather Solidarity featured her name rather than Tommy's on the ballot and they still got three times the SSP vote. Both of these advantages seem to have been marginal at best though.
 
I voted for the SSP in the last locals. Not when they side with fucking Murdoch though, no chance.

This time I switched to SNP (all 4 votes). SNP took Livingston...which was up until now a Labour stronghold. :)
 
DexterTCN said:
I voted for the SSP in the last locals. Not when they side with fucking Murdoch though, no chance.

This time I switched to SNP (all 4 votes). SNP took Livingston...which was up until now a Labour stronghold. :)

Oh right, so whilst you draw the line at taking Murdoch’s shilling you think its fine to support a party bankrolled by multi-millionaires like Donald MacDonald, Tom Farmer and Brian Souter (the Christian fundamentalist who made his fortune through the privatisation of public transport)?

Brilliant – a party dedicated to cutting corporation tax, slashing public spending and providing a windfall to big business in the UK. The far left in Scotland have been fighting each other when they should have been fighting the bosses. By backing nationalist independence they’ve helped open the door to the tartan tories who will proceed to fuck over the working class whilst the left grinds itself into oblivion.

A shit day for the far left in Scotland.
 
This is taken from Socialist Worker http://www.socialist worker.co.uk

Tommy Sheridan: Taking socialism to the people


Tommy Sheridan MSP

by Tommy Sheridan MSP

Last Wednesday George Galloway came to Scotland to back Solidarity, taking time out from Respect's council campaign in England to lend his support.

We spoke to four big public meetings on the day. It was standing room only at Solidarity's lunchtime meeting in Edinburgh.

Some 250 packed into St Augustine Church to hear George explain, "Solidarity is the credible progressive party in Scotland and I ask the people of Scotland to support and vote for Solidarity candidates wherever they are standing on 3 May."

We then travelled to Glasgow for two afternoon meetings. Around 250 students came to our Glasgow university meeting and we spoke to a local meeting of over 100 in Pollokshields.

The day ended with a fantastic meeting in Glasgow's Royal Concert Hall. Over 600 turned up to hear not just George and myself but also speakers from the Sunvic workers' strike, the PCS union and respected refugee and anti-war campaigner Mohammed Asif.

People say that the public meeting and the political rally are a thing of the past and that the public are not interested. The 1,200 that turned up to our four meetings shows that it isn't the case.

We are grateful for George Galloway's support and proud that the trade unionists and working class people who took part in the meetings have decided to vote Solidarity on Thursday.

The following should be read alongside this article:
» Time's up for New Labour in Scotland
» Solidarity's campaign has won a great reception in Scotland
» Main parties will face major problems after elections


For more on the Solidarity campaign go to www.solidarityscotland.org

Note the large turnouts for meetings
 
Geoff kerr-morg said:
People say that the public meeting and the political rally are a thing of the past and that the public are not interested. The 1,200 that turned up to our four meetings shows that it isn't the case.

Note the large turnouts for meetings
1200 spectators... well, everyone should have the chance to see Galloway and Sheridan perform. I remember people flocked to see Derek Hatton in the eighties. Now he does his turn at Nuneaton Round Table and the Isle of Man Junior Chamber.
 
Bear said:
Perfect example of why people didn't wanna re-elect any of that lot... One the one side untrustworthy Sheridan and his antics, and on the other side we have a bunch of people who stabbed their comrade in the back by giving a newspaper minutes of a meeting complete with a sworn aviddavit. It's a joke.
That fight is over. Rosie Kane didn't even manage to get elected to the City Council - she only got 327 votes in a ward with 22,863 voters. Tommy Sheridan got 8,544 votes in the Parliamentary election but didn't have the sense, or the humility, to stand for the City Council where he might have got in - his mum got 630 votes in Greater Pollok ward. He might have squeezed the 1200 votes it would have taken to beat the bar there. Now the story will be the police perjury investigation and, if it ever happens, the News International appeal.

Some realism is called for. The SNP have scooped up most of the votes that the Greens and the SSP got last time, showing that those votes were largely protest votes looking for a home.
 
Tommy untrustworthy he has stood up for his principles and even gone to jail I don't agree with everything he says or does but when you compare him to lying Blair and Brown, and the News of the World, I'll back Tommy every time. I think it's tragic that the left is divided in Scotland England and Wales. Where we can't agree to be in the same organisation we should not run against each other.
I don't believe in celebrating defeat of any left organisation.:)
 
JoePolitix said:
Oh right, so whilst you draw the line at taking Murdoch’s shilling you think its fine to support a party bankrolled by multi-millionaires like Donald MacDonald, Tom Farmer and Brian Souter (the Christian fundamentalist who made his fortune through the privatisation of public transport)?

Brilliant – a party dedicated to cutting corporation tax, slashing public spending and providing a windfall to big business in the UK. The far left in Scotland have been fighting each other when they should have been fighting the bosses. By backing nationalist independence they’ve helped open the door to the tartan tories who will proceed to fuck over the working class whilst the left grinds itself into oblivion.

A shit day for the far left in Scotland.
Sheridan didn't have anyone in Livingston, only Fox's mob and they don't deserve my vote.

A Scotland more free from Westminster (I'm not saying independent, yet) will be a better place for the left to grow. Dropping corporation tax would mean a better economy, surely? :)

And my (and probably many other people's) primary reason for voting SNP....Iraq.
 
DexterTCN said:
A Scotland more free from Westminster (I'm not saying independent, yet) will be a better place for the left to grow.
How will it be a better place for the left to grow?

So its a case of , independence first, then the left will grow.
2 stages anyone?

Pandering to nationalism will not in any way , shape or form help the left.
I believe the results on 3rd May prove that.
 
nightbreed said:
Pandering to nationalism will not in any way , shape or form help the left. I believe the results on 3rd May prove that.

Very true - I mean if both factions of the Scottish left maintain that Scottish independence (in any form) is a key priority for socialists whilst they feud amongst themselves many of their supporters will draw the obvious conclusion and vote for the party most likely to deliver independence (even if they impose Thatcherite policies)

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
 
JoePolitix said:
Very true - I mean if both factions of the Scottish left maintain that Scottish independence (in any form) is a key priority for socialists whilst they feud amongst themselves many of their supporters will draw the obvious conclusion and vote for the party most likely to deliver independence (even if they impose Thatcherite policies)

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

On second thoughts, I think I have oversimplified this issue. Solidairty explain their position on the SNP:

In these elections the SNP were able to posit themselves as an anti-establishment alternative to New Labour on big issues such as Iraq,
Trident, and the corruption which runs to the heart of the Blair
government. Now we will see if their bellicose rhetoric is translated
into action. If it is then we will support them on these issues. If
not then they will be exposed. We will never tire, however, in
opposing their pro-market and pro-business economic agenda,
understanding that it will only lead to more misery and despair for
ordinary working people and their families.

I'm sure as dexter has pointed out many people voted for the SNP as a protest vote against New Labour, trident and the Iraq war and socialists in Scotland need to take this into account. However playing the nationalist card is still self defeating imo because it will channel more votes to the SNP and away from the left.
 
Geoff kerr-morg said:
Note the large turnouts for meetings

I've been at "make millions buying and selling property" events with a bigger turnout.........

Pity they didn't actually get any significant level of interest at the polls.

Scotland's clearly had enough of its brief dalliance with the politics of the 3rd rate Poly (sorry, "metropolitan University") Student Union.
 
Solidarity and the SSP

The absence of socialist MSPs in the Scottish parliament represents a serious setback. The responsibility for this lies with the actions and policies of the SSP leadership that led to a split and the formation of the new socialist party – Solidarity - in September last year. The SSP leadership were widely seen to have backed Rupert Murdoch’s News of the World against Tommy Sheridan and they paid a devastating price at this election. Not only were the SSP wiped out in terms of parliamentary representation but it was Solidarity that clearly emerged as the main socialist force winning 70% of the socialist vote. Alan McCombes, the SSP’s policy spokesperson, described the outcome for the SSP as a "massacre."

Solidarity out-polled the SSP everywhere in Scotland winning 31,066 (1.6% of the national vote) votes to the SSP’s 12,831 (0.6%). In Glasgow, where Tommy Sheridan, was standing to be elected, Solidarity polled 8,525 votes which was 4.15% of the Glasgow wide vote compared to 2,579 - 1.25% for the SSP. Tommy Sheridan missed out on winning a seat by just over 2,000 votes – but it was clear that Solidarity suffered disproportionally from the thousands of rejected ballot papers in Glasgow, many of which showed that people had voted for Solidarity.

Nationally the SSP came behind the BNP and Arthur Scargill’s SLP as well as the Scottish Christian Party. Even where SSP MSPs were standing as councillors they failed to be elected. Glasgow SSP MSP Rosie Kane came last in the council seat she stood in. In contrast Solidarity won a council seat in Glasgow Craigton when Ruth Black was elected. The SSP lost their only council seat in Glasgow. In the West of Scotland, where International Socialist (CWI Scotland) member Jim Halfpenny was the lead candidate, Solidarity polled 4,774 votes (1.8%) while in Central Region, Solidarity won over 5,000 votes (1,8%). In South Scotland Solidarity polled 3,400 votes, a very creditable 2.3% which was not enough for MSP Rosemary Byrne to be returned to parliament.

A combination of the squeeze on the smaller parties and the inevitable disappointment at the split in the socialist movement meant that Solidarity just failed to gain an MSP. However, as Tommy Sheridan commented: "From the launch of Solidarity 8 months ago to being the biggest socialist party in Scotland is no mean feat." The decision to launch Solidarity in an effort to rebuild a viable socialist force in Scotland was underlined by this result. The SSP is finished as a serious force in Scotland and the task now is to try and deepen the roots and influence of Solidarity as a socialist party by taking up the issues facing working class communities and young people. The International Socialists, whose members play a key role in Solidarity, will campaign to build Solidarity and the forces of Marxism in Scotland. Whatever combination of big business parties form the new Executive, working class people need a fighting socialist party to defend their interests and we will work to build that alternative.

The full article is here: http://www.socialistworld.net/eng/2007/05/06scotland.html

Well worth taking a look at.
 
I think pandering to Scottish nationalism will get you further than pandering to Rupert Murdoch, the SSP are screwed now, no recognised personalities, no MSP salaries to fund the party, and a grand total of 1 councillor.

Tommy Sheridan has always supported an independent, international Scotland and deserves credit for keeping that line when the rest of the far-left tend to instead tolerate British unionism.
 
gurrier said:
It doesn't mention that the SSP got a council seat (and indeed it implies the opposite).

The SSP kept one of their two council seats, which is hardly a vastly important element of the story - Solidarity gaining a council seat itself had one short sentence devoted to it.
 
truly dreadful result in Glasgow. As a supporter in thr wide sense of the SSP- dissapointed there is no post-election analysis avaialable
 
Nigel Irritable said:
And it's farcical.

Not half as farcical as your lot shacking up with the SWP in Scotland while refusing to touch them with a bargepole in England. Without Sheridan in the parliament to hold it together, I give it three months at the most, probably a lot less.
 
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