giving up veganism, perhaps
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Are you sure?
My nephew doesn't eat any dairy, never gets colds, never gets any snotty nose even as a baby, I'm sure my sister (who's a nurse/ward manager now) said there is evidence to suggest the lactose in dairy products can cause a overproduction of mucus in the body?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
If you want it, eat it.
If you're thinking about not being vegan, the reasons you went vegan in the first place weren't the right ones. If it's for ethics, really for ethics, watch Earthlings. If it's for health, read 'The China Study' and any book by Dr Neal Barnard.
However if you aren't really feeling like it's for you (bear in mind cravings will happen from time to time if you still see dairy/meat as food. I'd no more crave dairy/eggs/meat than a human arm or dog shit, I don't consider it food) then don't force yourself.
However if you aren't really feeling like it's for you (bear in mind cravings will happen from time to time if you still see dairy/meat as food. I'd no more crave dairy/eggs/meat than a human arm or dog shit, I don't consider it food) then don't force yourself.
It's still taking animal products from an animal when you don't need to and draining their bodily resources in doing so. Producing eggs uses up protein, calcium and nutrients. Plus it's animal products - you're eating another animal's menstrual secretion
Plus it reinforces the idea that animals are ours to do what we want with, whether it's battery farm/free range or 'happy' little farm.Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I dunno about that.
You can keep a nanny goat lactating for three years without it needing to be inseminated, as opposed to the single year of a cow.
It is perfectly possible to milk a cow with calf at foot and still leave plenty for the calf, especially with dairy breeds. However, no farmers do it because it represents a significant portion of the milk yield.
I dont know, but have no reason to suppose goat milk producers would allow kids to suckle, maybe they do.
I do like goats milk though.
Soya milk is the food of the devil, as a mate of mine says, you can't milk a bean. I'm also more dubious about soy ethics than bovine ones.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
I'd agree with that.
Plus, I think if you're going to be Vegan you have to be very sure you know what you're about nutrition-wise. You need to make sure you're getting enough vitamin D, B12 and minerals such as calcium, selenium and iodine.
crustychick
doo-woop-de-doo
hmmmm, see, this is it, I get cravings, and I really want to... BUT, something just stops me and I can't do it... oh bugger
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
I was vegan for a year and it was just too much for me. I think I just wasn't getting enough protein despite following the book etc and I kept craving eggs. In the end I was sneakily buying bacon and egg sarnies and those pork and egg pies, just for the egg... am now not even veggie.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Are you sure?
My nephew doesn't eat any dairy, never gets colds, never gets any snotty nose even as a baby, I'm sure my sister (who's a nurse/ward manager now) said there is evidence to suggest the lactose in dairy products can cause a overproduction of mucus in the body?
I have heard this from several sources, too, although I don't know whether there is any scientific evidence.
The daughter of a friend of mine had really bad asthma which was partly treated by acupuncture (as well as mainstream drugs and occasional hospitalisation). The acupuncturist told her to avoid eating certain foods, which included dairy products, because these were known to cause congestion, which exacerbated the asthma. My friend certainly believed it, and her daughter avoided dairy for years, until she pretty much grew out of the severe side of asthma...
hmmmm, see, this is it, I get cravings, and I really want to... BUT, something just stops me and I can't do it... oh bugger
Then it sounds like something in your head is saying 'stay vegan'. Have a think about why you went vegan, read some vegan literature, cook some yummy vegan foods...
Plus your cravings might be asign you aren't eating enough or eating well enough. It's not hard to get nutrients as a vegan (quite the opposite, my iron and calcium levels have shot up since being vegan) but if you're existing on crap then your body will not be happy.
Plus it's a self image thing. If smokers give up smoking and say to themselves 'I'm a non smoker' then that's what they'll become. If you say to yourself 'I'm vegan, animal products are not food' then that's what you'll be.
It's not food. It's animal products - menstrual secretions, stolen calves' milk (not to mention the deaths of the calves who won't produce milk, the veal crates the male calves get sent to, the fact that the majority of dairy cows have mastitis and infections so the milk has pus, bacteria and blood in it - why do you think Cravendale filters its milk?), the flesh of a sentient being that died horribly...and you know all this. That's why veganism makes sense to you
ETA: I lost 0.5 stone and my hayfever got better since giving up dairy. I also had hearing problems in my right ear that went away, my doc reckoned the loss of mucus cleared out my ear/nose/throat and sorted my hearing. And I became more regular too.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I'm pretty sure that's an illusion.
I've always been a big chap and was doing a bit of upper body building in the mid-90s I put on a lot of muscle as a vegan I was racing 18 year olds on my bike and outdancing them at the local hops then walking 2 miles home.
I suspect what you craved was fat, and the flavour carried by fat - the same thing that drives me to eat an excess of oily fish these days.
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Exactly. I don't concentrate on eating protein, I just eat what I eat, and I build muscle like nobody's business. Most omni/veggie diets have an excess of protein (which, interestingly, raises the acidity of the body so the body leeches calcium to deacidify the body contributing to osteoperosis. This includes milk - what calcium is in milk is negated by the fact that the proteins in it leech calcium, so veggie sources are better)
Sugarmouse
DVNC
It isnt difficult at all to get enough nutrients as a vegan.
I believe that is just a myth stemmed from the taboo of doing something that isn't 'the norm'.
I am with miss B on the earthlings thing.Veganism is second nature to me but I still watch that from time to time..to remind me why.
I believe that is just a myth stemmed from the taboo of doing something that isn't 'the norm'.
I am with miss B on the earthlings thing.Veganism is second nature to me but I still watch that from time to time..to remind me why.
I am not a fan of soya milk, it has a really funny after taste to me - even the posh stuff I bought from Waitrose. Makes me gag.
There's no way I could be a vegan, I was the world's worst veggie. So I doubt I would last more than two or three days with out succombing the magnificance that is cheese. I also love eggs too much and creamy jersey milk, in fact I could write a huge list of stuff I like that is dairy based
Meat still makes me feel very lethargic and sickly at times. I had duck last night and it made me feel so full I felt sick but all I wanted to do was sleep. I could live with out meat if I didn't like the taste of it. The smell of mince cooking or lamb makes me wretch however. Horrible horrible smell.
Hi Herbsman.
oh, and firky says you're thinking of coming to Endorse-it! you should you know, it's aces
He thought about it but can't afford it
Oat milk FTW. Creamy, delicious and yum in porridge.
Or hazelnut/almond milk in G&B hot chocolate - mmm like liquid Nutella. And you can pretend it's good for you as almonds contain calcium, magnesium and Vit E
bi0boy
Power User
Are you sure?
My nephew doesn't eat any dairy, never gets colds, never gets any snotty nose even as a baby, I'm sure my sister (who's a nurse/ward manager now) said there is evidence to suggest the lactose in dairy products can cause a overproduction of mucus in the body?
I eat tons of dairy and never get colds
Oat and almond milk are a million times nicer than soya milk, which is a bit iffy healthwise.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
There isn't. In fact, Ben Goldacre did a column debunking it.
However, don't knock placebo.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I think its probably true that some people do have mucus overload associated with dairy intake.
I gave up drinking tea with milk in it a few years ago, and there was an instant and massive change to my nose, it was dramatic and I wasnt expecting it, especially as I still eat a lot of cheese. I also got a lot of mental benefit from giving up caffeine.
I gave up drinking tea with milk in it a few years ago, and there was an instant and massive change to my nose, it was dramatic and I wasnt expecting it, especially as I still eat a lot of cheese. I also got a lot of mental benefit from giving up caffeine.
Re: dairy and mucus, as well as vegans I know saying they're less mucus-ey and are more regular without dairy, it's quite likely an awful lot of us are allergic to it. Perhaps not to a huge extent but enough to notice a difference when you give it up. I lost the weird pimply/dry skin on my upper arms when I cut out dairy too.
Evolutionarily it makes more sense to eat meat than drink milk. We're the only species that drinks the milk made for the infants of another species, so it makes sense that it may not be all that good for us.
Evolutionarily it makes more sense to eat meat than drink milk. We're the only species that drinks the milk made for the infants of another species, so it makes sense that it may not be all that good for us.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Been vegan for six years, Im not sure I understand what people precisely mean by cravings. I know that certain meat flavours can be tasty, but they can be replicated quite well artificially, Im not talking quorn or anything weird like that, but some of the lesser brands in H&B.
As for cheese, never was a huge cheese fan, and I have to say the vegan replacements are sick. I would try and ride it out, or like someone else said, try and remind yourself why you bother.
As for cheese, never was a huge cheese fan, and I have to say the vegan replacements are sick. I would try and ride it out, or like someone else said, try and remind yourself why you bother.
Nixon
peanut butter n.w.o.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
I missed that comment, depends what you mean, if your implying veganism lacks nutritionally, I would suggest your being ignorant, but if you have cravings then its up to you what you eat as a result.
crustychick
doo-woop-de-doo
mmmmmm, I've enjoyed this thread... thanks especially to miss b for the reminder of why I'm doing what I'm doing... it's amazing that a bar of milk chocolate can sit in front of me for days on end and I won't even consider eating it... but a bar of G&B's can sit in my cupboard and tempt me from afar 
am definitely staying vegan now, for the forseeable future. thanks all
am definitely staying vegan now, for the forseeable future. thanks all
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Keep on rockin'
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
am definitely staying vegan now, for the forseeable future. thanks all
Take it a day at a time, don't make proclaimations. And I always help myself by reminding myself how better I feel, it terms of my skin, general health and how much cheaper it is
crustychick
doo-woop-de-doo
Take it a day at a time, don't make proclaimations. And I always help myself by reminding myself how better I feel, it terms of my skin, general health and how much cheaper it is
true true
i had to buy some cheese for my housemate t'other day, and I was amazed at how much it cost...
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